[78-L] label Info.

[Steven C. Barr]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Lennick" <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> And Columbia added new run-out grooves over top of the old ones on brand 
> new
> issues if they didn't think the groove ended close enough to the label. 
> Look at
> all those late 30s (into 1940 I think) LA recordings.
>
Columbia's usual problem was that their 78 masters (Columbia and Okeh) were
too large to fit on their later (1939-onward) 78's, necessitating dubbed 
sides on
reissues! As well, (RCA) Victor dubbed virtually ALL their reissues of 78rpm
material...apparently to allow the inclusion of run-in and run-out grooving
amenable to "record changers!"

> The reverse stop-groove situation happens on German pressings of US Deccas 
> in
> the 30s (maybe on Brunswicks as well) where they added a deep 
> non-concentric
> "you vill stop" groove cutting through the original.
>
> I've seen evidence that run-out grooves were not cut in the original 
> masters.
> Some Brunswick pressings of Polydor masters have no run-out while the 
> Polydors
> do, and I have two similar-era pressings of a Raymond Scott disc that 
> appear to
> be from the same master but have different run-outs and no evidence of one
> being filled in.
>
> dl
>
> Charles Bihun wrote:
>> Thanks for the heads up.
>>
>> ChuckB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Michael Biel <mbiel at mbiel.com>
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>> Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 3:32:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] label Info.
>>
>> From: Charles Bihun <csintala79 at yahoo.com>
>>> I pretty much have the technical facts down. I was told how
>>> to tell if a reissue of a record from the 20s was from a
>>> master or dubbed (the masters won't cut lead in grooves,
>>> while a dubbed record will have them).  ChuckB
>>
>> Don't be so quick.  Unless you know that a specific reissue label does
>> not add lead-in grooves, this is not a good indication.  Most reissues
>> in the late 30s and 1940s I know that used original masters, added
>> lead-in grooves and often cut their new lead-out groove style right over
>> the original lead-outs, sometimes making a rather confusing mess!  While
>> the lack of a lead-in is a dead give-away, I usually pay attention to
>> the lead-out area.
>>
>> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com
>>
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