[78-L] Composers who steal

[Taylor Bowie]

Part of Berlin's I Want You For Myself (1930 or so) got lifted for the 
release of Top Hat,  White Tie and Tales where it goes "I'm stepping out my 
dear to breathe an atmosphere that simply reeks with class..."

I think it's kind of cool when a great songwriter can make use of what he's 
already written for later works.

Somehow this all reminds me of what Diz would say on occasion at a gig: 
"Ladies and gentlemen,  we've had a request to play [fill in the blank]. 
We're not going to play that one,  but our next tune contains many of the 
same notes."


Taylor





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bud Black" <banjobud at cfl.rr.com>
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Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [78-L] Composers who steal


> Irving Berlin, arguably the greatest composer of the popular song, stole
> from himself rather frequently.  Note that his 1916 song "Smile And Show
> Your Dimple," in 1933 became "Easter Parade."  A line in Al Jolson's song
> To My Mammy" stated, "How much does she love me?  I'll tell you no lie. 
> How
> deep is the ocean, how high is the sky?"  Listen to the verse of his "Just 
> A
> Little Longer" and then listen to the verse of "To My Mammy."  In the 
> movie
> White Christmas" Bing Crosby, Danny Kaye and Rosie Clooney sing a song
> called "Snow" which was a re-working of an earlier Berlin tune called 
> "Free.
>
>
> Bud
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Dnjchi at aol.com
> Date: 6/8/2009 11:52:31 AM
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Composers who steal
>
>
> Wish I had the copyright to Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star.  Lots of
> composers stole that theme.  While on the same thought, imagine if the
> Scriptures
> were still in copyright (orig, writers, not various versions)!   "Today's
> reading is from Matthew, with the perrmission of the copyright  owner."
> dc
>
> In a message dated 6/8/2009 11:34:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> dlennick at sympatico.ca writes:
>
> Hey..nobody ever sued Leonard Bernstein or John Williams, and they're  two
> of
> the biggest thieves in the business. Lenny was a genius (Williams  is NOT,
> he's
> just a talented cut-n-paster who should put a chunk of his  fortune in
> escrow
> for Holst, Elgar and Bernard Herrmann) but every time I  hear Dohnanyi's
> Serenade, I can point to half of the score for "On the  Town" which is a
> blatant
> ripoff of its themes.
>
> Richard Rodgers  stole from himself all the time. Oh, sorry, "recycled".
> "Johnny
> One Note"  is really a tune that was dropped from Mississippi, something
> about
> Pancho. "No Other Love" was part of the "Victory at Sea" score from a year
> earlier ("Beneath the Southern Cross"), and "Blue Moon" went through 3
> sets of
> lyrics before settling on the final one.
>
> dl
>
> Taylor  Bowie wrote:
>> There are plenty of them,  and almost all of them  have done so at one
> time
>> or another,  intentionally or  not.
>>
>> While some of you were torturing yourself tonight with  the Tony Awards,
> I
>> was playing some olde rekkids and having a  fine time!  Here are two
>> interesting ones I played this  evening:
>>
>> Pathe 036005 Max Terr Orch. "Chansonette"   Composer credit is Rudolf
> Friml,
>> and low and behold it turns out to  be the same melody as the main part
> of
>> The Donkey Serenade,   which I think was written for the film version of
> The
>> Firefly in 1935  or so.  No show credit is given on the label,  so I
> guess it
>> was just something Friml had kicking around when they needed an
> additional
>> song for the movie.
>>
>> Bluebird 5088   Bert Lown Orch. "We'll Have A Honeymoon Some Day".  This
> was
>> the  last Bert Lown Bluebird I was missing and I was excitied to be able
> to
>> buy it recently.  A very loose performance,  with a great  piano solo by
>> Chauncey Grey and a full-chorus solo from Spencer Clark  on bass sax...I
>> don't recall Rollini ever getting a full chorus when  he was with the
> band.
>>
>> The song itself is a dreadful redo of  Side By Side,  and I wasn't
> surprised
>> to see that the composer  credit was Harry Woods...talented but seemingly
>> undisciplined and  lazy as a writer.
>>
>> I guess the lesson is if you want to steal  from a composer why not steal
>> from yourself...you won't get sued that  way.
>>
>>
>> Taylor
>>
>>
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