[78-L] Composers who steal

[David Lennick]

And "Any Yams Today" became "Any Bonds Today", more recycled Irving.

As for "Hello Dolly" and "Sunflower", all of the story is true..it was found to 
be plagiarized, an opinion I wouldn't have agreed with. The first two bars are 
common and that's IT.

dl

Taylor Bowie wrote:
> Part of Berlin's I Want You For Myself (1930 or so) got lifted for the 
> release of Top Hat,  White Tie and Tales where it goes "I'm stepping out my 
> dear to breathe an atmosphere that simply reeks with class..."
> 
> I think it's kind of cool when a great songwriter can make use of what he's 
> already written for later works.
> 
> Somehow this all reminds me of what Diz would say on occasion at a gig: 
> "Ladies and gentlemen,  we've had a request to play [fill in the blank]. 
> We're not going to play that one,  but our next tune contains many of the 
> same notes."
> 
> 
> Taylor
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bud Black" <banjobud at cfl.rr.com>
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 1:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Composers who steal
> 
> 
>> Irving Berlin, arguably the greatest composer of the popular song, stole
>> from himself rather frequently.  Note that his 1916 song "Smile And Show
>> Your Dimple," in 1933 became "Easter Parade."  A line in Al Jolson's song
>> To My Mammy" stated, "How much does she love me?  I'll tell you no lie. 
>> How
>> deep is the ocean, how high is the sky?"  Listen to the verse of his "Just 
>> A
>> Little Longer" and then listen to the verse of "To My Mammy."  In the 
>> movie
>> White Christmas" Bing Crosby, Danny Kaye and Rosie Clooney sing a song
>> called "Snow" which was a re-working of an earlier Berlin tune called 
>> "Free.
>>
>>
>> Bud
>>
>> -------Original Message-------
>>
>> From: Dnjchi at aol.com
>> Date: 6/8/2009 11:52:31 AM
>> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Composers who steal
>>
>>
>> Wish I had the copyright to Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star.  Lots of
>> composers stole that theme.  While on the same thought, imagine if the
>> Scriptures
>> were still in copyright (orig, writers, not various versions)!   "Today's
>> reading is from Matthew, with the perrmission of the copyright  owner."
>> dc
>>
>> In a message dated 6/8/2009 11:34:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> dlennick at sympatico.ca writes:
>>
>> Hey..nobody ever sued Leonard Bernstein or John Williams, and they're  two
>> of
>> the biggest thieves in the business. Lenny was a genius (Williams  is NOT,
>> he's
>> just a talented cut-n-paster who should put a chunk of his  fortune in
>> escrow
>> for Holst, Elgar and Bernard Herrmann) but every time I  hear Dohnanyi's
>> Serenade, I can point to half of the score for "On the  Town" which is a
>> blatant
>> ripoff of its themes.
>>
>> Richard Rodgers  stole from himself all the time. Oh, sorry, "recycled".
>> "Johnny
>> One Note"  is really a tune that was dropped from Mississippi, something
>> about
>> Pancho. "No Other Love" was part of the "Victory at Sea" score from a year
>> earlier ("Beneath the Southern Cross"), and "Blue Moon" went through 3
>> sets of
>> lyrics before settling on the final one.
>>
>> dl
>>
>> Taylor  Bowie wrote:
>>> There are plenty of them,  and almost all of them  have done so at one
>> time
>>> or another,  intentionally or  not.
>>>
>>> While some of you were torturing yourself tonight with  the Tony Awards,
>> I
>>> was playing some olde rekkids and having a  fine time!  Here are two
>>> interesting ones I played this  evening:
>>>
>>> Pathe 036005 Max Terr Orch. "Chansonette"   Composer credit is Rudolf
>> Friml,
>>> and low and behold it turns out to  be the same melody as the main part
>> of
>>> The Donkey Serenade,   which I think was written for the film version of
>> The
>>> Firefly in 1935  or so.  No show credit is given on the label,  so I
>> guess it
>>> was just something Friml had kicking around when they needed an
>> additional
>>> song for the movie.
>>>
>>> Bluebird 5088   Bert Lown Orch. "We'll Have A Honeymoon Some Day".  This
>> was
>>> the  last Bert Lown Bluebird I was missing and I was excitied to be able
>> to
>>> buy it recently.  A very loose performance,  with a great  piano solo by
>>> Chauncey Grey and a full-chorus solo from Spencer Clark  on bass sax...I
>>> don't recall Rollini ever getting a full chorus when  he was with the
>> band.
>>> The song itself is a dreadful redo of  Side By Side,  and I wasn't
>> surprised
>>> to see that the composer  credit was Harry Woods...talented but seemingly
>>> undisciplined and  lazy as a writer.
>>>
>>> I guess the lesson is if you want to steal  from a composer why not steal
>>> from yourself...you won't get sued that  way.
>>>
>>>
>>> Taylor
>>>
>>>