[78-L] Winnie-the-Who?

[David Lennick]

Finally found the information, on the very last inside page of the book (it's 
hardly a booklet). "The exclusive material contained in these records, and 
based upon Winston S. Churchill's 'Memories of the Second World War', was 
recorded by Sir Winston at his home during the period 1948-1949. His broadcast 
statements--which have been reproduced, as far as technicalities allow, in 
full--were taken from radio transcriptions dating from 1933 to 1945."

In other words, they ARE the original broadcasts except where they aren't.

Boy, I forgot how elaborate a package this was. I have Copy #1941 in its 
original box. What am I offered? The glue holding the cover to the book(let) 
has dried but the discs are near mint.

dl

Michael Biel wrote:
> I believe this was discussed in articles or bios with mention that this
> was done during the time when he was writing his 6-volume book on the
> war.  It might be in the box set booklet or reviews of the set.
> 
> Mike Biel   mbiel at mbiel.com 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Winnie-the-Who?
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Date: Mon, May 11, 2009 5:07 pm
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> 
> Now then, where do we find the information about Churchill having
> recorded the 
> Decca speeches around 1948? I knew they were different from the EMI
> issues, but 
> no information is given in the set..which as I recall also has music in
> between 
> and under parts of some of the speeches, presumably to foil reissue
> producers 
> (no names, please).
> 
> dl
> 
> Michael Biel wrote:
>>>>> Darrell Lehman wrote:
>>>>>> Anybody know if Winston Churchill was recorded on disc? I know Edward 
>>>>>> R. Murrow had a set that might have included him but I can't finds mine 
>>>>>> so..... Anybody aware of anything else?
>> SHELVES full of 'em. HMV published a whole separate catalogue listing
>> their Royal and political speeches. In the U.S. Columbia issued a set
>> with his Dec 1941 speech to Congress. As the war ended WOR Feature
>> issued two 10-inch 78s with picture covers, one for the recently
>> departed FDR, and the other for Churchill with narrated excerpts of
>> speeches. They are easy to find (without the covers). 
>>
>>
>>>>> This goes back to that old discussion about whether Churchill recorded 
>>>>> any of his speeches or were they ghosted by actor Norman Shelley, who 
>>>>> also played the other Winnie (the Pooh!). Julian Vein
>>> Taylor Bowie wrote:
>>>> So all those HMVs are actually an actor? Taylor
>>
>> NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
>>
>> Norman Shelley himself never claimed to have done more than ONE
>> Churchill speech just one time!!!!!!!!!!! I have a recording of a
>> broadcast interview with Shelley where he debunks the theory that he did
>> it many times. As some of the articles the Canadian dl referenced
>> state, it is doubtful that Shelley's recording of the beaches speech was
>> ever broadcast. 
>>
>> Much of the confusion relates to Decca having Churchill re-record his
>> speeches around 1948. So the recordings on HMV are contemporary with
>> the original date, and Decca/London's are later re-dos. Many came out
>> on 78s in Britain with special picture labels. Decca/London did a big
>> LP box set but all I have been able to find is the one-disc sampler on
>> London. HMV did 10 separate LP volumes, the first one being a 2-disc
>> set that was also issued in the U.S. on Capitol and thus was not
>> imported with Odeon paste-overs like the other ones were. 
>>
>> Edward R. Murrow, in addition to including a montage of Churchill in the
>> first I Can Hear It Now (issued on all three speeds) did a full LP of
>> Churchill originally labelled as Vol IV of I Can Hear It Now. In
>> neither of these, nor the WOR disc, nor any other early documentary do
>> we hear the Beaches speech. 
>>
>> Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
>>
>> More on Winnie vs Norman. Interesting comments..amazing to see online
>> banter 
>> from people who can actually construct a sentence in English.
>> http://www.theperfectworld.us/thread.php?id=504&postNum=108
>>
>> David Lennick wrote:
>>> Beats me..now this is coming under debunkment (if there isn't such a word, I 
>>> shall coin it).
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Shelley
>>> http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/Observer291000.html
>>> http://cool-palimpsest.stanford.edu/byform/mailing-lists/amia-l/2006/04/msg00148.html
>>> http://www.courts.fsnet.co.uk/wscatlantic.htm
>>>
>>> Take your pick.
>>>
>>> dl
>>>