[78-L] Winnie-the-Who?

[Michael Biel]

I believe this was discussed in articles or bios with mention that this
was done during the time when he was writing his 6-volume book on the
war.  It might be in the box set booklet or reviews of the set.

Mike Biel   mbiel at mbiel.com 

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [78-L] Winnie-the-Who?
From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
Date: Mon, May 11, 2009 5:07 pm
To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>

Now then, where do we find the information about Churchill having
recorded the 
Decca speeches around 1948? I knew they were different from the EMI
issues, but 
no information is given in the set..which as I recall also has music in
between 
and under parts of some of the speeches, presumably to foil reissue
producers 
(no names, please).

dl

Michael Biel wrote:
> 
>>>> Darrell Lehman wrote:
>>>>> Anybody know if Winston Churchill was recorded on disc? I know Edward 
>>>>> R. Murrow had a set that might have included him but I can't finds mine 
>>>>> so..... Anybody aware of anything else?
> 
> SHELVES full of 'em. HMV published a whole separate catalogue listing
> their Royal and political speeches. In the U.S. Columbia issued a set
> with his Dec 1941 speech to Congress. As the war ended WOR Feature
> issued two 10-inch 78s with picture covers, one for the recently
> departed FDR, and the other for Churchill with narrated excerpts of
> speeches. They are easy to find (without the covers). 
> 
> 
>>>> This goes back to that old discussion about whether Churchill recorded 
>>>> any of his speeches or were they ghosted by actor Norman Shelley, who 
>>>> also played the other Winnie (the Pooh!). Julian Vein
> 
>> Taylor Bowie wrote:
>>> So all those HMVs are actually an actor? Taylor
> 
> 
> NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
> 
> Norman Shelley himself never claimed to have done more than ONE
> Churchill speech just one time!!!!!!!!!!! I have a recording of a
> broadcast interview with Shelley where he debunks the theory that he did
> it many times. As some of the articles the Canadian dl referenced
> state, it is doubtful that Shelley's recording of the beaches speech was
> ever broadcast. 
> 
> Much of the confusion relates to Decca having Churchill re-record his
> speeches around 1948. So the recordings on HMV are contemporary with
> the original date, and Decca/London's are later re-dos. Many came out
> on 78s in Britain with special picture labels. Decca/London did a big
> LP box set but all I have been able to find is the one-disc sampler on
> London. HMV did 10 separate LP volumes, the first one being a 2-disc
> set that was also issued in the U.S. on Capitol and thus was not
> imported with Odeon paste-overs like the other ones were. 
> 
> Edward R. Murrow, in addition to including a montage of Churchill in the
> first I Can Hear It Now (issued on all three speeds) did a full LP of
> Churchill originally labelled as Vol IV of I Can Hear It Now. In
> neither of these, nor the WOR disc, nor any other early documentary do
> we hear the Beaches speech. 
> 
> Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> 
> More on Winnie vs Norman. Interesting comments..amazing to see online
> banter 
> from people who can actually construct a sentence in English.
> http://www.theperfectworld.us/thread.php?id=504&postNum=108
> 
> David Lennick wrote:
>> Beats me..now this is coming under debunkment (if there isn't such a word, I 
>> shall coin it).
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Shelley
>> http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/Observer291000.html
>> http://cool-palimpsest.stanford.edu/byform/mailing-lists/amia-l/2006/04/msg00148.html
>> http://www.courts.fsnet.co.uk/wscatlantic.htm
>>
>> Take your pick.
>>
>> dl
>>
> 
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