[78-L] How well did they do it

[David Lennick]

joe at salerno.com wrote:
> I stand corrected!
> 
> Some were direct to direct one generation removed. Direct to direct to 
> disc. I did not know about the substitution of voice for a high note. Do 
> you know the year of the recording you reference? I assume it was 
> electrical?

Very..it happened in the fifties, when Kirsten Flagstad couldn't hit one of the 
notes. I can't remember who the substitutist was. Somebody famous.
> 
> I knew the AFRS could delete a word or a phrase or a commercial, but 
> those were transcriptions, not 78s.

There are also a couple of instances of rerecording 78s to cover a mistake or 
an outdated reference (a Gracie Fields Rex side that referred to the price) or 
to add music that had been skipped (a Mozart concerto where several bars were 
omitted between sides and the pianist was long gone so they reassembled an 
orchestra and played the missing passage and dubbed the disc..badly).
> 
> Would it be safe to say that no ACOUSTICAL records were ever documented 
> to have been edited in this manner? (save for Mr. Caruso, and they did 
> not change anything that he recorded, they only added more music there to)

Who knows if it's safe to make ANY assumptions?
> 
> Actually, even the Pathes were not all direct to disc, they were bumped 
> from master cylinders.....my universe is crumbling.

There, there....

dl
> 
> joe salerno
> 
> 
> Michael Biel wrote:
>> joe at salerno.com wrote:
>>> 78s were all direct to disc,
>> No No No No NO!!!!!!!!!!  They weren't ALL direct-to-disc.  From around 
>> 1940 practically no Columbia 78 were direct-to-disc.  They were almost 
>> all dubs from 16-inch 33s.   Same with many other companies including 
>> Decca. 
>>>  no tape editing, there's an honesty about 
>>> them. no technical assistance to correct a flaw. 
>> There are many instances of modifications and editing.  I forget which 
>> singers, but there is a famous opera recording where a different soprano 
>> is edited in on the final high note.  I noted many places in the Victor 
>> ledger sheets for Spike Jones where they redubbed a master to tone down 
>> a gunshot or some other thing like that.  And don't forget the Caruso's 
>> with the electrically recorded orchestra over the dubbed voice. 
>>> what you play is what you get.   joe salerno
>>>
>>>   
>>
>> Don't be so sure!!
>>
>> Mike Biel   mbiel at mbiel.com