[78-L] Jazz violin
soundthink at aol.com
soundthink at aol.com
Thu Apr 30 12:57:47 PDT 2009
>From me, but of course! But Inigo already weighed in on Venuti, so I was just trying to come up with some others he could consider listening to.
Cary Ginell
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From: Royal Pemberton <ampex354 at gmail.com>
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No love for Joe Venuti?
On 4/30/09, soundthink at aol.com <soundthink at aol.com> wrote:
Try Michel Warlop.He played some dates with Grappelli & Reinhardt, but there
are some astoundingly terrific sides by this unheralded violinist.
You should also listen to some of the western swing violinists, such as
Carroll Hubbard, Cecil Brower, J.R. Chatwell, and Louis Tierney. All great,
and there were many more.
Cary Ginell
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From: I. Cubillo <i.cubillo at telefonica.net>
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Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 1:03 pm
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Me... the same... I first knew Grappelli. Great! Then I read about Stuff
mith, and I acquired a CD of Nat King Cole backed by a great combo, Smith
mong them... Great!
Then I read about Eddie South. I bought from Nauck the Victor of "La Rosita"
nd "Waters of Minnetonka", and I've been a bit dissapointed. Grappelli is
uch better to me.
There are others, of course. Venuti sounds good, but worse than Grappelli to
y ears.
And there are the myriad of more or less unknown violin players in american
nd british dance bands. Not unknown at all (we've g
ot Rust and the like to
dentify many of them) but second row fiddlers. Some records by Whiteman,
ack Hylton and the like, feature great violin solos (double string playing
nd the like, stuff like the Stuff's one). Pity those solos last only a few
econds!
Inigo
ñigo Cubillo
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rom: <soundthink at aol.com>
o: <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
ent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 7:01 AM
ubject: Re: [78-L] Do, Do, Do
Carrie (Mrs. Jimmie) Rodgers does hav
e her charm, but she never fancied
erself a vocalist, not like Miss Audrey did. The ultimate stage wife. Lucy
icardo in Alabama, only not nearly as funny.
I will defer to you Shep Fields fans out there, but I have yet to hear one
y him that I am remotely interested in.. I'm also frustrated at all the
imes when I would spot a buff Bluebird, I would hope that it would be a
reat blues record, a Tampa Red, or a western swing item I didn't have.
nvariably, it's old Shep.
Stephane Grappelli was my first introduction to jazz violin, and although
love Stuff Smith, Eddie South, and Svend Asmussen, Stephane was the most
legant.
Plus, I have a copy of his very interesting?autobiography, which he
utographed to me.
Cary Ginell
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From: Mark Hendrix 78L <gennett5276 at sbcglobal.net>
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Sent: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 8:59 pm
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Let me put it this
way. I can listen to "We Miss Him When the Evening
Shadows Fall"... maybe every 15 years or so. But put on a Hank and Audrey
duet, and I wince every time she comes near the microphone.* Bear Family
was perverse enough to put out an LP of her entire commercially recorded
recorded solo work, and I was almost perverse enough to buy it, out of
hat
same masochistic streak that might draw one to Florence Foster Jenkins.
ut
I decided to pass, even though I think she was backed by the Drifting
Cowboys (a shotgun
wedding arranged by Hank, no doubt). "Lovesick Blues,"
indeed! --Mark Hendrix
*for context, I should fess up that I actually enjoy some of Ed Kirkeby's
vocals, and derive pleasure from "the vocal stylings" both Tom Stacks and
l
Miller. But Audrey Williams is not so bad that she's good. She is simply
bad; not even worth checking out.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com]On Behalf Of David Lennick
> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:59 PM
> To: 78-L Mail List
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>
>
> Any better/worse than Mrs. Jimmie Rodgers?
>
> dl
>
> Mark Hendrix 78L wrote:
> > Audrey Williams is Mrs. Hank Williams, to you. Actually, she
> was the FIRST
> > Mrs. Hank Williams. Not a good vocalist by any stretch of the
> > magination. --Mark He
ndrix
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
> >> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com]On Behalf Of David
ennick
> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:29 PM
> >> To: 78-L Mail List
> >> Subject: Re: [78-L] Do, Do, Do
> >>
> >>
> >> Agreed about Shep Fields' New Music, of which I've heard very few
> >> samples. Sid
> >> Caesar was in the band for a while and appears on the March 10/42
> >> session.
> >> Notice that by 1940 he was recording titles like Boy Scout in
> >> Switzerland,
> >> Who's Yehoodi, When the Mush=2
0Begins to Rush Down Father's
> >> Vest..man, Bernie
> >> Privin and Jack Jenney are in the April
1940 lineup!
> >>
> >> Sammy is okay for a couple of things, like "Daddy" and "I Used to
> >> Work in Chicago".
> >>
> >> Ken Griffin is okay for skeet shooting and I have no idea who
> >> Audrey Williams is.
> >>
> >> What do you want from me....I still can't stomach Stephane
> >> Grappelli and never
> >> will.
> >>
> >> dl
> >>
> >> Taylor Bowie wrote:
> >>> Now, now, Cary...I can steer you to some excellent records by
> >> a couple of
> >>> your "verboten" artists.
> >>>
> >>> If you don't want to ripple, try some of the Shep Fields "New
usic"
> >>> records from ca. 1941. My fave is the oddly=2
0titled and
> >> constructed "Ooh,
> >>> Does Your Mother Know That You Smoke." Band sounds great,
xcellent
> >>> clarinet solo by Gus Bivona, damn clever tune. Good,
> hip-chick vocal,
> >>> too...can't recall her name.
> >>>
> >>> My two fave Sammy Kaye records are the Victors of "Daddy" and
> >> "My Buddy."
> >>> Band sounds good on both of them.
> >>>
> >>> Don't know Audrey Williams, and I'll admit defeat with Ken Griffin.
> >>>
> >>> Taylor B
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: <soundthink at aol.com>
> >>> To: <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:10 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [78-L]
How well did they do it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I tend to listen to acoustic records more for their historic
> >> value than
> >>>> their musical value. I'm strictly in the electric era. There
> >> are certain
> >>>> sounds, however, that took some getting used to in order to
> appreciate
> >>>> them - for example: Sidney Bechet's rapid vibrato, the
> >> harmonies of the
> >>>> Carter Family, pre-war Cajun vocals, and bebop. Thirty years
> >> ago I couldn't
> >>>> relate to any of these musically; but after listening and
> >> listening, the
> >>>> layers peel away and now I enjoy all four of these kinds of music.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ken Griffin, Audrey Williams
, Sammy Kaye, and Shep Fields,
> >> however, offend
> >>>> at every level.
> >>>>
> >>>> Good topic.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cary Ginell___
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