[78-L] Jazz violin

Thu Apr 30 12:25:00 PDT 2009

There seems to be a distinct lack of appreciation for Joe Venuti in this 
thread.  I like all the others who have been mentioned (Louis Tierney is 
great and too-little known),  but Joe takes first prize for me.  I wish all 
of you could have heard him live on his last gig here in Seattle back in 
1978...I saw him on ten nights and I don't think he ever played better.

Speaking of jazz violin,  there are a couple of YouTube videos of Joe Livoti 
with guitarist Neil Levang (from the Lawrence Welk orch.) doing two 
different versions of Wild Dog...great stuff.   Welk featured some wonderful 
violinists over the years,  including Livoti,  Jimmy Getzoff and the 
matchless Dick Kesner...not jazz players but just great players.

And when watching some of the old Welk video cuts,  it's fun to spot Kurt 
Deterlie in the string section,  some 30+ years after he played with Bix and 
friends in the Whiteman band.

When I was little,  my fave Welk player was violinist Bob Lido...not a great 
jazz player,  but when called upon  he could tear off a pretty good solo in 
a jam number.  There is a wonderful 1956 clip of Welk on YouTube playing 
Rock Around The Clock where Bob does a little "four-string" solo,  ala 
Venuti.

I forget who the fiddler is on the Jimmy Reverd Bluebirds but he's amazing, 
too...Someone Else You Care For has been a fave record of mine for more than 
40 years.  I think that was the first western swing record I ever 
bought...five cents at the VA Thrift Shop.

Taylor

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <soundthink at aol.com>
To: <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:35 AM
Subject: [78-L] Jazz violin

> Try Michel Warlop.He played some dates with Grappelli & Reinhardt, but 
> there are some astoundingly terrific sides by this unheralded violinist.
>
> You should also listen to some of the western swing violinists, such as 
> Carroll Hubbard, Cecil Brower, J.R. Chatwell, and Louis Tierney. All 
> great, and there were many more.
>
> Cary Ginell
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: I. Cubillo <i.cubillo at telefonica.net>
> To: 78-L <78-L at 78online.com>
> Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 1:03 pm
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Do, Do, Do
>
>
>
> Me...  the same... I first knew Grappelli. Great! Then I read about Stuff
> mith, and I acquired a CD of Nat King Cole backed by a great combo, Smith
> mong them... Great!
> Then I read about Eddie South. I bought from Nauck the Victor of "La 
> Rosita"
> nd "Waters of Minnetonka", and I've been a bit dissapointed. Grappelli is
> uch better to me.
> There are others, of course. Venuti sounds good, but worse than Grappelli 
> to
> y ears.
> And there are the myriad of more or less unknown violin players in 
> american
> nd british dance bands. Not unknown at all (we've got Rust and the like to
> dentify many of them) but second row fiddlers. Some records by Whiteman,
> ack Hylton and the like, feature great violin solos (double string playing
> nd the like, stuff like the Stuff's one). Pity those solos last only a few
> econds!
> Inigo
>
> ñigo Cubillo
> ---- Original Message -----
> rom: <soundthink at aol.com>
> o: <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> ent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 7:01 AM
> ubject: Re: [78-L] Do, Do, Do
>
> Carrie (Mrs. Jimmie) Rodgers does hav
> e her charm, but she never fancied
> erself a vocalist, not like Miss Audrey did. The ultimate stage wife. Lucy
> icardo in Alabama, only not nearly as funny.
>
> I will defer to you Shep Fields fans out there, but I have yet to hear one
> y him that I am remotely interested in.. I'm also frustrated at all the
> imes when I would spot a buff Bluebird, I would hope that it would be a
> reat blues record, a Tampa Red, or a western swing item I didn't have.
> nvariably, it's old Shep.
>
> Stephane Grappelli was my first introduction to jazz violin, and although
> love Stuff Smith, Eddie South, and Svend Asmussen, Stephane was the most
> legant.
>
> Plus, I have a copy of his very interesting?autobiography, which he
> utographed to me.
>
> Cary Ginell
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Hendrix 78L <gennett5276 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Sent: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 8:59 pm
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Do, Do, Do
>
>
>
> Let me put it this way.  I can listen to "We Miss Him When the Evening
> Shadows Fall"... maybe every 15 years or so.  But put on a Hank and Audrey
> duet, and I wince every time she comes near the microphone.*  Bear Family
> was perverse enough to put out an LP of her entire commercially recorded
> recorded solo work, and I was almost perverse enough to buy it, out of
> hat
> same masochistic streak that might draw one to Florence Foster Jenkins.
> ut
> I decided to pass, even though I think she was backed by the Drifting
> Cowboys (a shotgun
> wedding arranged by Hank, no doubt).  "Lovesick Blues,"
> indeed!  --Mark Hendrix
>
> *for context, I should fess up that I actually enjoy some of Ed Kirkeby's
> vocals, and derive pleasure from "the vocal stylings" both Tom Stacks and
> l
> Miller.  But Audrey Williams is not so bad that she's good.  She is simply
> bad; not even worth checking out.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
> > [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com]On Behalf Of David Lennick
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:59 PM
> > To: 78-L Mail List
> > Subject: Re: [78-L] Do, Do, Do
> >
> >
> > Any better/worse than Mrs. Jimmie Rodgers?
> >
> > dl
> >
> > Mark Hendrix 78L wrote:
> > > Audrey Williams is Mrs. Hank Williams, to you.  Actually, she
> > was the FIRST
> > > Mrs. Hank Williams.  Not a good vocalist by any stretch of the
> > > magination.  --Mark Hendrix
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
> > >> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com]On Behalf Of David
> ennick
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:29 PM
> > >> To: 78-L Mail List
> > >> Subject: Re: [78-L] Do, Do, Do
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Agreed about Shep Fields' New Music, of which I've heard very few
> > >> samples. Sid
> > >> Caesar was in the band for a while and appears on the March 10/42
> > >> session.
> > >> Notice that by 1940 he was recording titles like Boy Scout in
> > >> Switzerland,
> > >> Who's Yehoodi, When the Mush=2
> 0Begins to Rush Down Father's
> > >> Vest..man, Bernie
> > >> Privin and Jack Jenney are in the April
>  1940 lineup!
> > >>
> > >> Sammy is okay for a couple of things, like "Daddy" and "I Used to
> > >> Work in Chicago".
> > >>
> > >> Ken Griffin is okay for skeet shooting and I have no idea who
> > >> Audrey Williams is.
> > >>
> > >> What do you want from me....I still can't stomach Stephane
> > >> Grappelli and never
> > >> will.
> > >>
> > >> dl
> > >>
> > >> Taylor Bowie wrote:
> > >>> Now, now,  Cary...I can steer you to some excellent records by
> > >> a couple of
> > >>> your "verboten" artists.
> > >>>
> > >>> If you don't want to ripple,  try some of the Shep Fields "New
> usic"
> > >>> records from ca. 1941.  My fave is the oddly titled and
> > >> constructed "Ooh,
> > >>> Does Your Mother Know That You Smoke."  Band sounds great,
> xcellent
> > >>> clarinet solo by Gus Bivona,  damn clever tune.  Good,
> > hip-chick vocal,
> > >>> too...can't recall her name.
> > >>>
> > >>> My two fave Sammy Kaye records are the Victors of "Daddy"  and
> > >> "My Buddy."
> > >>> Band sounds good on both of them.
> > >>>
> > >>> Don't know Audrey Williams,  and I'll admit defeat with Ken Griffin.
> > >>>
> > >>> Taylor B
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: <soundthink at aol.com>
> > >>> To: <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:10 PM
> > >>> Subject: Re: [78-L]
> How well did they do it.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> I tend to listen to acoustic records more for their historic
> > >> value than
> > >>>> their musical value. I'm strictly in the electric era. There
> > >> are certain
> > >>>> sounds, however, that took some getting used to in order to
> > appreciate
> > >>>> them - for example: Sidney Bechet's rapid vibrato, the
> > >> harmonies of the
> > >>>> Carter Family, pre-war Cajun vocals, and bebop. Thirty years
> > >> ago I couldn't
> > >>>> relate to any of these musically; but after listening and
> > >> listening, the
> > >>>> layers peel away and now I enjoy all four of these kinds of music.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Ken Griffin, Audrey Williams, Sammy Kaye, and Shep Fields,
> > >> however, offend
> > >>>> at every level.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Good topic.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cary Ginell___
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