[78-L] Jazz violin

Thu Apr 30 12:06:51 PDT 2009

No love for Joe Venuti?

On 4/30/09, soundthink at aol.com <soundthink at aol.com> wrote:
> Try Michel Warlop.He played some dates with Grappelli & Reinhardt, but there
> are some astoundingly terrific sides by this unheralded violinist.
>
> You should also listen to some of the western swing violinists, such as
> Carroll Hubbard, Cecil Brower, J.R. Chatwell, and Louis Tierney. All great,
> and there were many more.
>
> Cary Ginell
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: I. Cubillo <i.cubillo at telefonica.net>
> To: 78-L <78-L at 78online.com>
> Sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 1:03 pm
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Do, Do, Do
>
>
>
> Me...  the same... I first knew Grappelli. Great! Then I read about Stuff
> mith, and I acquired a CD of Nat King Cole backed by a great combo, Smith
> mong them... Great!
> Then I read about Eddie South. I bought from Nauck the Victor of "La Rosita"
> nd "Waters of Minnetonka", and I've been a bit dissapointed. Grappelli is
> uch better to me.
> There are others, of course. Venuti sounds good, but worse than Grappelli to
> y ears.
> And there are the myriad of more or less unknown violin players in american
> nd british dance bands. Not unknown at all (we've got Rust and the like to
> dentify many of them) but second row fiddlers. Some records by Whiteman,
> ack Hylton and the like, feature great violin solos (double string playing
> nd the like, stuff like the Stuff's one). Pity those solos last only a few
> econds!
> Inigo
>
> ñigo Cubillo
> ---- Original Message -----
> rom: <soundthink at aol.com>
> o: <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> ent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 7:01 AM
> ubject: Re: [78-L] Do, Do, Do
>
>  Carrie (Mrs. Jimmie) Rodgers does hav
> e her charm, but she never fancied
> erself a vocalist, not like Miss Audrey did. The ultimate stage wife. Lucy
> icardo in Alabama, only not nearly as funny.
>
>  I will defer to you Shep Fields fans out there, but I have yet to hear one
> y him that I am remotely interested in.. I'm also frustrated at all the
> imes when I would spot a buff Bluebird, I would hope that it would be a
> reat blues record, a Tampa Red, or a western swing item I didn't have.
> nvariably, it's old Shep.
>
>  Stephane Grappelli was my first introduction to jazz violin, and although
>  love Stuff Smith, Eddie South, and Svend Asmussen, Stephane was the most
> legant.
>
>  Plus, I have a copy of his very interesting?autobiography, which he
> utographed to me.
>
>  Cary Ginell
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Mark Hendrix 78L <gennett5276 at sbcglobal.net>
>  To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>  Sent: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 8:59 pm
>  Subject: Re: [78-L] Do, Do, Do
>
>
>
>  Let me put it this way.  I can listen to "We Miss Him When the Evening
>  Shadows Fall"... maybe every 15 years or so.  But put on a Hank and Audrey
>  duet, and I wince every time she comes near the microphone.*  Bear Family
>  was perverse enough to put out an LP of her entire commercially recorded
>  recorded solo work, and I was almost perverse enough to buy it, out of
> hat
>  same masochistic streak that might draw one to Florence Foster Jenkins.
> ut
>  I decided to pass, even though I think she was backed by the Drifting
>  Cowboys (a shotgun
>  wedding arranged by Hank, no doubt).  "Lovesick Blues,"
>  indeed!  --Mark Hendrix
>
>  *for context, I should fess up that I actually enjoy some of Ed Kirkeby's
>  vocals, and derive pleasure from "the vocal stylings" both Tom Stacks and
> l
>  Miller.  But Audrey Williams is not so bad that she's good.  She is simply
>  bad; not even worth checking out.
>
>
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
>  > [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com]On Behalf Of David Lennick
>  > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:59 PM
>  > To: 78-L Mail List
>  > Subject: Re: [78-L] Do, Do, Do
>  >
>  >
>  > Any better/worse than Mrs. Jimmie Rodgers?
>  >
>  > dl
>  >
>  > Mark Hendrix 78L wrote:
>  > > Audrey Williams is Mrs. Hank Williams, to you.  Actually, she
>  > was the FIRST
>  > > Mrs. Hank Williams.  Not a good vocalist by any stretch of the
>  > > magination.  --Mark Hendrix
>  > >
>  > >> -----Original Message-----
>  > >> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
>  > >> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com]On Behalf Of David
> ennick
>  > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:29 PM
>  > >> To: 78-L Mail List
>  > >> Subject: Re: [78-L] Do, Do, Do
>  > >>
>  > >>
>  > >> Agreed about Shep Fields' New Music, of which I've heard very few
>  > >> samples. Sid
>  > >> Caesar was in the band for a while and appears on the March 10/42
>  > >> session.
>  > >> Notice that by 1940 he was recording titles like Boy Scout in
>  > >> Switzerland,
>  > >> Who's Yehoodi, When the Mush=2
> 0Begins to Rush Down Father's
>  > >> Vest..man, Bernie
>  > >> Privin and Jack Jenney are in the April
>   1940 lineup!
>  > >>
>  > >> Sammy is okay for a couple of things, like "Daddy" and "I Used to
>  > >> Work in Chicago".
>  > >>
>  > >> Ken Griffin is okay for skeet shooting and I have no idea who
>  > >> Audrey Williams is.
>  > >>
>  > >> What do you want from me....I still can't stomach Stephane
>  > >> Grappelli and never
>  > >> will.
>  > >>
>  > >> dl
>  > >>
>  > >> Taylor Bowie wrote:
>  > >>> Now, now,  Cary...I can steer you to some excellent records by
>  > >> a couple of
>  > >>> your "verboten" artists.
>  > >>>
>  > >>> If you don't want to ripple,  try some of the Shep Fields "New
> usic"
>  > >>> records from ca. 1941.  My fave is the oddly titled and
>  > >> constructed "Ooh,
>  > >>> Does Your Mother Know That You Smoke."  Band sounds great,
> xcellent
>  > >>> clarinet solo by Gus Bivona,  damn clever tune.  Good,
>  > hip-chick vocal,
>  > >>> too...can't recall her name.
>  > >>>
>  > >>> My two fave Sammy Kaye records are the Victors of "Daddy"  and
>  > >> "My Buddy."
>  > >>> Band sounds good on both of them.
>  > >>>
>  > >>> Don't know Audrey Williams,  and I'll admit defeat with Ken Griffin.
>  > >>>
>  > >>> Taylor B
>  > >>>
>  > >>>
>  > >>> ----- Original Message -----
>  > >>> From: <soundthink at aol.com>
>  > >>> To: <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>  > >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:10 PM
>  > >>> Subject: Re: [78-L]
> How well did they do it.
>  > >>>
>  > >>>
>  > >>>> I tend to listen to acoustic records more for their historic
>  > >> value than
>  > >>>> their musical value. I'm strictly in the electric era. There
>  > >> are certain
>  > >>>> sounds, however, that took some getting used to in order to
>  > appreciate
>  > >>>> them - for example: Sidney Bechet's rapid vibrato, the
>  > >> harmonies of the
>  > >>>> Carter Family, pre-war Cajun vocals, and bebop. Thirty years
>  > >> ago I couldn't
>  > >>>> relate to any of these musically; but after listening and
>  > >> listening, the
>  > >>>> layers peel away and now I enjoy all four of these kinds of music.
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>> Ken Griffin, Audrey Williams, Sammy Kaye, and Shep Fields,
>  > >> however, offend
>  > >>>> at every level.
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>> Good topic.
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>> Cary Ginell___
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