[78-L] Dates on AFRS transcriptions

[joe@salerno.com]

So BTW here is another documented example of a run off date on an AFRS 
ET being incorrect.

joe salerno


David Lennick wrote:
> I've sent Joe the specifics off list, but the AFRS set is New York Philharmonic 
> Program #59, and the date on the discs is October *21* 1945, not October 28. So 
> which is it, I wonder? V-Disc Book says October 28th.
> 
> dl
> 
> joe at salerno.com wrote:
>> This ads more mystery to the thing. What AFRS set is it that contains 
>> the Kapell/Rodzinski?
>>
>> C'mon, you knew I was going to ask, for discographical purposes at least...
>>
>> joe salerno
>>
>>
>> David Lennick wrote:
>>> That's odd, because I HAVE the Kapell-Rodzinski Rhapsody on AFRS (and on 
>>> V-Disc)..they must have split the concert. I think there was half a Mahler 
>>> Symphony on the same set of discs. I sent Richard Rodzinski a copy, since he 
>>> didn't have this program.
>>>
>>> dl
>>>
>>> joe at salerno.com wrote:
>>>> Don't know about popular, but in the case of classical AFRS ET dates are 
>>>> MOSTLY correct, as far as I know. I've documented one instance in which 
>>>> they substituted material without a note on the date.
>>>>
>>>> This instance was the Oct 28, 1945 performance of the Paganini Rhapsody 
>>>> with Kapell/Rodzinski/NYPS. This performance was issued on V-Discs. On 
>>>> the AFRS release of the same concert, the orchestral selections are 
>>>> there, but Kapell is nowhere to be found. For his portion they 
>>>> substituted the Strauss Burlesque with Arrau from a few weeks before. 
>>>> That additional date is not given in the run out, like anyone cared, nor 
>>>> does the announcer mention the fact that there was a different conductor 
>>>> for the Strauss on that other date, whose name I am not thinking of at 
>>>> the moment.
>>>>
>>>> I have wondered if the AFRS & V-Disc producers cooperated in such 
>>>> matters to avoid redundancy in sending material to the troops, or if 
>>>> this was the decision of some conscientious program planner, or an 
>>>> accident. I've never encountered this any other instance, or known of 
>>>> some incident to check on.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone else on the list know of such an occurence?
>>>>
>>>> joe salerno
>>>>
>>>> David Lennick wrote:
>>>>> When an AFRS transcription shows a date in the land, which other sources 
>>>>> confirm to be the original broadcast date, is it safe to assume that this may 
>>>>> have nothing to do with the actual date of cutting or dubbing? I've been 
>>>>> transferring several "Date with the Duke" programs, some of which show dates 
>>>>> and others showing "dubbed" (meaning pieced together from leftovers), but in a 
>>>>> couple of cases with dates, there are songs inserted which the band didn't play 
>>>>> till a couple of months later.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Related question: Did the AFRS producers have a bet to see how many times they 
>>>>> could insert the execrable Kay Davis massacring "Yesterdays"? I swear I've 
>>>>> heard it six times so far. What was the deal with her anyway..did she come out 
>>>>> naked?)
>>>>>
>>>>> dl
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