[78-L] Meller/Moreschi.
Malcolm Smith
malcolms at redshift.com
Tue Oct 21 14:28:39 PDT 2008
The trio I'm familiar with is Laudamus te with Boezi and Dado and
the Cappella Sistina. Is this what you have? Alessandro Moreschi's
name will be on the record which as a G&T probably has a unique
Vatican label. If that's what you have, You paid very little for it.
There are Cappella Sistina records on which Moreschi does not appear.
He is the only castrato on the record. I still have a G&T, the Pie
Jesu (Laibach). It's my understanding that at at about this time,
under a new pope, they stopped singing this music and went to
Gregorian Chants. Perhaps there is information about that in the
article or in a book about the castrati. There is early opera for
castrati that is basically not performable today. Again, he was
trained as a church singer, not an opera singer.
Malcolm Smith.
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> 9. Re: Enesco plays Bach (David Lennick)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:41:10 -0400
> From: "Howard Friedman" <hsf318 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Enesco plays Bach
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> Not to mention the second copy
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ENESCO-PLAYS-BACH-
> SONATAS-3LP_W0QQitemZ230299551170QQcmdZViewItem?
> hash=item230299551170&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%
> 3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
>
> Interestingly, neither are listed in the WERM.
>
> Howard
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:43:30 -0400
> From: "Howard Friedman" <hsf318 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Fw: Locating a Reagan item
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> From: "Taylor Bowie"
>> A special collections librarian freind-of-a-freind is trying to
>> locate a
>> little give-away record from 1961. I think it's a 7" 33 1/3 in a
>> picture
>> sleeve and the title is "Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized
>> Medicine."
>>
>
> It's too bad he didn't speak out against Luftwaffe SS Officers,
> instead of laying wreaths on their graves!
>
> HSF
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:51:50 +0200
> From: "Erwin Kluwer" <ekluwer at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Enesco plays Bach
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> This one looks very nice, but is actually a japanese reprint... wchich
> tend to go for a lot too...
> Erwin
>
> On 10/21/08, Howard Friedman <hsf318 at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Not to mention the second copy
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ENESCO-PLAYS-BACH-
>> SONATAS-3LP_W0QQitemZ230299551170QQcmdZViewItem?
>> hash=item230299551170&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%
>> 3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
>>
>> Interestingly, neither are listed in the WERM.
>>
>> Howard
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> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:22:35 +0200
> From: "Kristjan Saag" <saag at telia.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Hefti arrangement
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> I wrote:
>>> Does anyone know if it was Neal Hefti who arranged "Till The End
>>> Of Time"
>>> (Dec 1 1945 recording) with Woody Herman. Hefti plays trumpet
>>> solo and
>>> Frances Wayne sings.
>
> Jeff Sultanof answered:
>
>> I believe this arrangement to be by Ralph Burns, who wrote most of
>> the
>> arrangements for Wayne when they were with Barnet as well as
>> Herman. They
>> had been friends back in Massachusetts years before Frances met Neal.
>
> On the other hand: this is probably a 1945 arrangement (the tune
> became a
> hit that year and wasn't featured in Herman's repertoir earlier)
> and Wayne
> and Hefti got married in October 1945. "Till The End Of Time..."
> Besides: it features Hefti as trumpet soloist.
> So...?
> Thanks, BTW, Julian and David, for additional help.
> Kristjan
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:12:18 +0100
> From: Spats <spats47 at ntlworld.com>
> Subject: [78-L] Meller/Moreschi.
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
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> Hi!
>
> A big thankyou to Harold Aherne who actually addressed my query about
> Raquel Meller!
>
> The rest of you started talking about Moreschi! ;-)
> (Not quite the same thing, you know!) ;-)
>
> In case you are interested, I bought the Red G&T of the Mozart
> excerpt for 10 pounds. Not bad!
> It looks pretty rough but plays surprisingly well.
>
> A note on the sleeve from an earlier owner of the record suggests
> that there are three castrati singing and that Moreschi took the alto
> part. I have no idea if this is true or not. I just act as the
> messenger!
>
> There was a long article about the Sistine recordings in an old issue
> of The Record Collector, by the way.
>
> Earl Okin.
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:24:51 +0100
> From: Spats <spats47 at ntlworld.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] THE RECORD COLLECTOR. Desert Island Discs.
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
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> Hi!
>
> Just so that you know, the rules for choosing the 'Desert Island'
> discs in The Record Collector, were to avoid the obvious singers,
> such as Caruso and Ruffo as much as possible. The idea was to point
> collectors to other, neglected recordings.
>
> Of-course, these were supposed to include only records of classical
> singers, though they could be singing more popular songs.
>
> The 1914 Caruso/Ruffo duet would have been far too obvious!
>
> As to the De Reszke Fonotipia, Erwin, very funny!
> If you'd care to make an Mp3 of it, I'm sure that we'd all enjoy
> hearing it!!! ;-)
>
> I cheated a little, because I really couldn't do without 2 by
> ultra-famous singers.
>
> These, bearing in mind the rules, were my final choices.
> Naturally, there would normally be some Carusos, Giglis, Bjorlings
> among my top 8.
>
> Feodor Chaliapin. Persian Love Song. (My No.1 choice).
> Amelita Galli-Curci. PEER GYNT SUITE. Solveig's Song.
> Celestina Boninsegna. FORZA. Pace, Pace.
> Florencio Constantino. IL DUCA D'ALBA. Angelo Casto E Bel.
> Lucrezia Bori. MADAMA BUTTERFLY. Un Bel Di.
> Tino Pattiera/Meta Seinemeyer. OTELLO. Gia Nella Notte.
> Ferruccio Tagliavini. FALSTAFF. Dal Labbro In Canto.
> Gino Bechi. OTELLO. Era La Notte.
>
> Earl Okin.
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:49:12 +0200
> From: "Erwin Kluwer" <ekluwer at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] THE RECORD COLLECTOR. Desert Island Discs.
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> Allright more obscure ( and no so obsscure) my list would be:
>
>
> Escalais: Robert Diable aria
>
> Gabriel Soulacroix: Pour imiter
>
> Mark Reizen: Boris Gudonov final scene
>
> Stracciari; Rigoletto; Cortigiani
>
> Friedrich Schorr: Die Walk?re :: Leb' wohl/ acoustic recording
>
> Pavel Lisitsian: Song of Ventian guest
>
> Bori/Schipa Boheme last duet
>
> Anselmi: Amor tie vieta,
>
> Erwin
>
>
>
>
> On 10/21/08, Spats <spats47 at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> Just so that you know, the rules for choosing the 'Desert Island'
>> discs in The Record Collector, were to avoid the obvious singers,
>> such as Caruso and Ruffo as much as possible. The idea was to point
>> collectors to other, neglected recordings.
>>
>> Of-course, these were supposed to include only records of classical
>> singers, though they could be singing more popular songs.
>>
>> The 1914 Caruso/Ruffo duet would have been far too obvious!
>>
>> As to the De Reszke Fonotipia, Erwin, very funny!
>> If you'd care to make an Mp3 of it, I'm sure that we'd all enjoy
>> hearing it!!! ;-)
>>
>> I cheated a little, because I really couldn't do without 2 by
>> ultra-famous singers.
>>
>> These, bearing in mind the rules, were my final choices.
>> Naturally, there would normally be some Carusos, Giglis, Bjorlings
>> among my top 8.
>>
>> Feodor Chaliapin. Persian Love Song. (My No.1 choice).
>> Amelita Galli-Curci. PEER GYNT SUITE. Solveig's Song.
>> Celestina Boninsegna. FORZA. Pace, Pace.
>> Florencio Constantino. IL DUCA D'ALBA. Angelo Casto E Bel.
>> Lucrezia Bori. MADAMA BUTTERFLY. Un Bel Di.
>> Tino Pattiera/Meta Seinemeyer. OTELLO. Gia Nella Notte.
>> Ferruccio Tagliavini. FALSTAFF. Dal Labbro In Canto.
>> Gino Bechi. OTELLO. Era La Notte.
>>
>> Earl Okin.
>>
>>
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> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:32:29 -0400
> From: "Howard Friedman" <hsf318 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Meller/Moreschi.
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> Earl,
>
>>> There was a long article about the Sistine recordings in an old
>>> issue
> of The Record Collector, by the way<<
>
> The Record Collector, Vol. 28, Nos. 7 & 8 December 1983 pp 147-191
> --the entire issue!
>
> Howard
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:13:34 -0400
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Enesco plays Bach
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> Howard Friedman wrote:
>> Not to mention the second copy
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ENESCO-PLAYS-BACH-
>> SONATAS-3LP_W0QQitemZ230299551170QQcmdZViewItem?
>> hash=item230299551170&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%
>> 3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
>>
>> Interestingly, neither are listed in the WERM.
>>
>> Howard
>
> Page 731 (the supplement). It must have just missed the cutoff for
> the main volume.
>
> dl
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:46:06 -0400
> From: "Howard Friedman" <hsf318 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Enesco plays Bach
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
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>>> Page 731 (the supplement). It must have just missed the cutoff
>>> for the main volume.<<
>
> Right you are, David! But I'll still take the Milstein!
>
> And isn't a shame that Enesco never did teach his star pupil to
> pay attention to the lengths of the notes! Follow Menuhin's
> recording of Symphonie Espagnole with the score, and you'll hear
> what I mean.
>
> Howard
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:42:50 -0700
> From: "Andrea Walsh" <petquality1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [78-L] The dream discs that start us collecting
> To: 78-L at klickitat.78online.com
> Message-ID:
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> Hi everyone, I just wanted to pop in and give a link to my record post
> today, since it's pretty special to me. I wrote about one of the
> records
> that I first heard and loved so much that it was one of the ones
> that got me
> started in wanting to collect 78s, one of the dream discs we are all
> familiar with.
>
> Here is the link. It's just both sides of one record today, no
> mammoth-sized mega selection, but it's a pretty neat one, and
> special to me.
>
> http://twindowlicker.livejournal.com/272260.html
>
> See what helped to make me the record collectin' gal I am today.
>
> Thanks-
> Andrea
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:33:07 -0400
> From: Roger Wade <rwade1947 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] The dream discs that start us collecting
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
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> Many thanks for sharing that great record Andrea. And
> congratulations on acquiring it in the first place.
>
> Roger Wade
> Really Old Records
>
> http://www.reallyoldrecords.com
>
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>
> http://www.amazon.com/shops/reallyoldrecords
>
> http://www.myspace.com/reallyoldrecords
>
>
>
> On Oct 21, 2008, at 12:42 PM, Andrea Walsh wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone, I just wanted to pop in and give a link to my record
>> post
>> today, since it's pretty special to me. I wrote about one of the
>> records
>> that I first heard and loved so much that it was one of the ones
>> that got me
>> started in wanting to collect 78s, one of the dream discs we are all
>> familiar with.
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:52:33 +0000
> From: fnarf at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [78-L] The dream discs that start us collecting
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID:
>
> <102120081752.4829.48FE16E10002C595000012DD2207022933009D0E0200 at comcas
> t.net>
>
>
> Great story, great record!
>
> --
> Steve.
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Andrea Walsh" <petquality1 at gmail.com>
>> Hi everyone, I just wanted to pop in and give a link to my record
>> post
>> today, since it's pretty special to me. I wrote about one of the
>> records
>> that I first heard and loved so much that it was one of the ones
>> that got me
>> started in wanting to collect 78s, one of the dream discs we are all
>> familiar with.
>>
>> Here is the link. It's just both sides of one record today, no
>> mammoth-sized mega selection, but it's a pretty neat one, and
>> special to me.
>>
>> http://twindowlicker.livejournal.com/272260.html
>>
>> See what helped to make me the record collectin' gal I am today.
>>
>> Thanks-
>> Andrea
>> _______________________________________________
>> 78-L mailing list
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>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:52:48 +0200
> From: "Erwin Kluwer" <ekluwer at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Enesco plays Bach
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
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> Iam a sucker for the Martzy, despite the hype...
>
> but I must agree Milstein is no slouch either...
>
> Erwin
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Howard Friedman
> <hsf318 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Page 731 (the supplement). It must have just missed the cutoff
>>>> for the main volume.<<
>>
>> Right you are, David! But I'll still take the Milstein!
>>
>> And isn't a shame that Enesco never did teach his star pupil to
>> pay attention to the lengths of the notes! Follow Menuhin's
>> recording of Symphonie Espagnole with the score, and you'll hear
>> what I mean.
>>
>> Howard
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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