[78-L] AFM ban discography

Thu Sep 3 08:30:15 PDT 2020

Were record companies able to reissue older recordings during these bans?

Ron L

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	Rodger,

	I'm delving into that era heavily right now. Have been for months.
Your list looks pretty complete to me. That's quite a few hours of
work. If I run across any others in the future I'll try to remember to
post them.

	Do you happen to have at hand the dates that each label settled with
the union? I know Decca settled early because they wanted to release
the "Oklahoma" Original Cast album. I read just yesterday that Decca's
first single release after the ban was PISTOL PACKIN' MAMA by Bing.
Evidently the Dexter recording was made before the ban. Was Columbia
the other label to settle early?

	I'll never understand why Montreal and Toronto didn't take advantage
of the ban by recording current songs there. Even Mexico City. And
what about Honolulu?

	RayK

	-----------------------------------------From: "Rodger J Holtin" 

 For almost as many years as I've collected 78s I've been curious
about the
 records made during the AFM recording ban of 1942-44. While we'll
probably
 never know what the renegades like Oberstein did during that period,
the
 records made by singers with acappella-accompaniment for the major
labels is
 a finite list. 

 With the resource of 

 http://www.78discography.com/ [1] 

 and a little clarification from 

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 I've made a tentative list which I have pasted in below.

 I've never seen any acappella records on Capitol and the only OKeh
that I've
 been able to find is one by the Golden Gate Quartet, and I see that
Ty's
 list has a note on one of them indicating an August 1942 date.

 I listed the Four Vagabonds on Bluebird as the dates indicate they
were
 recorded during the ban. I finally found a copy of Rosie The Riveter
and I
 Had The Craziest Dream on 30-0810, but a close listen reveals that it
has
 some kind of stringed instrument - I'm guessing a tiple. Years ago I
read
 that somebody got by with that since the tiple was not recognized as
a
 legitimate instrument by the union. I doubted the story at the time I
heard
 it, so perhaps I have finally found that one and proved it to be
correct.
 Haven't heard the other sides, so I don't know about them.

 Have also heard that Petrillo was singularly unhappy with this
situation and
 called in other unions to stop their members; i.e.: Actor's Guild to
stop
 some singers, and IBEW to stop the recording engineers. If anybody
can
 confirm or correct those items, I'd like to know about that, too.

 Any additions/corrections/suggestions, let me know.

 Bluebird 30-0810A Four Vagabonds ROSIE THE RIVETER
 D3AB5 1/15/1943

 Bluebird 30-0810B Four Vagabonds I HAD THE CRAZIEST
 DREAM D3AB3 1/15/1943

 Bluebird 30-0811A Four Vagabonds ROSE ANN OF CHARING
 CROSS D3AB4 1/15/1943

 Bluebird 30-0811B Four Vagabonds TEN LITTLE SOLDIERS
 D3AB6-1 1/15/1943

 Bluebird 30-0822A The Four King Sisters MAIRZY DOATS
 D4AB28 5/1/1944

 Bluebird 30-0822B The Four King Sisters ITS LOVE D4AB29
 5/1/1944

 Bluebird 30-0824A The Four King Sisters San Fernando Valley
 D4VB70 3/22/1944

 Bluebird 30-0824B The Four King Sisters Milkman, Keep Those
 Bottles Quiet D4VB69 3/22/1944

 Bluebird 30-0829A The Four King Sisters The Trolley Song
 D4AB233 8/17/1944

 Bluebird 30-0829B The Four King Sisters (All of a Sudden) My
 Heart Sings D4AB232 8/17/1944

 Columbia 36678 FRANK SINATRA CLOSE TO YOU CO33249
 6/7/1943

 Columbia 36678 FRANK SINATRA YOU'LL NEVER KNOW CO33251
 6/7/1943

 Columbia 36679 FRANK SINATRA SUNDAY MONDAY OR ALWAYS
 CO33268 6/22/1943

 Columbia 36679 FRANK SINATRA IF YOU PLEASE CO33269
 6/22/1943

 Columbia 36682 FRANK SINATRA PEOPLE WILL SAY WE'RE IN LOVE
 CO33250=6 6/7/1943

 Columbia 36682 FRANK SINATRA OH WHAT A BEAUTIFUL MORNIN'
 CO33283=1 8/5/1943

 Columbia 36687 FRANK SINATRA I COULDN'T SLEEP A WINK LAST NIGHT
 CO33368=1 11/3/1943

 Columbia 36687 FRANK SINATRA A LOVELY WAY TO SPEND AN EVENING
 CO33373=3 11/10/1943

 Columbia 36693 GINNY SIMMS SUDDENLY IT'S SPRING HCO965
 1/28/1944

 Columbia 36693 GINNY SIMMS IRRESISTABLE YOU HCO966
 1/28/1944

 Decca 18553A The SONG SPINNERS COMIN' IN ON A WING AND A
 PRAYER 71338 5/4/1943

 Decca 18553B The SONG SPINNERS JOHNNY ZERO 71340
 5/4/1943

 Decca 18554A SONG SPINNERS STALIN WASN'T STALLIN'
 71337 5/4/1943

 Decca 18554B SONG SPINNERS LOVE IS GOIN' TO BE RATIONED
 71339 5/4/1943

 Decca 18556A DICK HAYMES & SONG SPINNERS YOU'LL NEVER KNOW
 71378 5/27/1943

 Decca 18556B DICK HAYMES & SONG SPINNERS WAIT FOR ME, MARY
 71377 5/27/1943

 Decca 18557A DICK HAYMES and The SONG SPINNERS IN MY
 ARMS 71379A 5/27/1943

 Decca 18557B DICK HAYMES and The SONG SPINNERS IT CAN'T
 BE WRONG 71380A 5/27/1943

 Decca 18558A DICK HAYMES and the SONG SPINNERS I HEARD
 YOU Cried LAST NIGHT 71426AA 6/22/1943

 Decca 18558B DICK HAYMES and the SONG SPINNERS I NEVER
 MENTION YOUR NAME 71425AA 6/22/1943

 Decca 18560 DICK HAYMES & SONG SPINNERS GERTIE FROM BIZERTE
 71392 6/14/1943

 Decca 18560 DICK HAYMES & SONG SPINNERS THERE'S A STAR SPANGLED
 BANNER WAVING SOMEWHERE 71391 6/14/1943

 Decca 18561A BING CROSBY SUNDAY, MONDAY OR ALWAYS
 L3172 8/2/1943

 Decca 18561B BING CROSBY & DARBY SINGERS IF YOU PLEASE
 L3173 8/2/1943

 Decca 18562A SPORTSMEN GLEE CLUB WHAT DO YOU DO IN THE INFANTRY?
 L3179 8/6/1943

 Decca 18562B SPORTSMEN GLEE CLUB KE-TOKY-I-O L3177
 8/6/1943

 Decca 18564A BING CROSBY and TRUDY ERWIN with The Sportsmen Glee
 Club PEOPLE WILL SAY WE'RE IN LOVE L3181A
 8/23/1943

 Decca 18564B BING CROSBY and TRUDY ERWIN with The Sportsmen Glee
 Club OH WHAT A BEAUTIFUL MORNING L3182A 8/23/1943

 Decca 18565A DICK HAYMES & SONG SPINNERS PUT YOUR ARMS
 AROUND ME, HONEY 71433 9/7/1943

 Decca 18565B DICK HAYMES & SONG SPINNERS FOR THE FIRST
 TIME 71434 9/7/1943

 Decca 18566A KAY ARMEN & BALLADIERS HOW SWEET YOU ARE
 71436 9/15/1943

 Decca 18566B KAY ARMEN & BALLADIERS THE DREAMER 71435
 9/15/1943

 Decca 18568A KAY ARMEN & BALLADIERS LATER TONIGHT 71437
 9/15/1943

 Decca 18568B KAY ARMEN & BALLADIERS CUDDLE UP A LITTLE
 CLOSER, LOVEY MINE 71438 9/15/1943

 Okeh 6712 GOLDEN GATE JUBILEE QT STALIN WASN'T STALLIN'
 33183=1 3/5/1943

 Okeh 6713 GOLDEN GATE JUBILEE QT COMIN' IN ON A WING AND A
 PRAYER 33216 5/19/1943

 Victor 20-1538-A PERRY COMO GOODBYE SUE ?
 6/20/1943

 Victor 20-1538-B PERRY COMO THERE'LL SOON BE A RAINBOW
 ? 6/20/1943

 Victor 20-1548 PERRY COMO HAVE I STAYED AWAY TOO LONG?
 ? 12/1/1943

 Victor 20-1548 PERRY COMO I'VE HAD THIS FEELING BEFORE
 ? 12/1/1943

 Victor 20-1562 DINAH SHORE w Mixed Chorus NOW I KNOW
 ? -

 Victor 20-1562 DINAH SHORE w Mixed Chorus I COULDN'T SLEEP A
 WINK LAST ? -

 Victor 20-1569 PERRY COMO I LOVE YOU ? 2/8/1944

 Victor 20-1569 PERRY COMO LONG AGO ? 2/8/1944

 Victor 20-1586 DINAH SHORE w Mixed Chorus I'LL WALK ALONE ?
 -

 Victor 20-1586 DINAH SHORE w Mixed Chorus IT COULD HAPPEN TO
 YOU ? -

 Victor 20-1592 PERRY COMO LILI MARLENE ?
 6/27/1944

 Victor 20-1592 PERRY COMO FIRST CLASS PRIVATE MARY BROWN
 ? 6/27/1944

 Victor 20-1594-A DINAH SHORE w Mixed Chorus TOGETHER ?
 ca June 1944

 Victor 20-1594-B DINAH SHORE w Mixed Chorus I LEARNED A LESSON
 I'LL NEVER FORGET ? ca June 1944

 Rodger Holtin

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