[78-L] 78-L Digest, Vol 109, Issue 3
Kristjan Saag
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Mon Oct 9 14:01:17 PDT 2017
Guard your lacquers.
In 1981 a guy from Liverpool, John Duff Lowe, found one in his sock
drawer that he had cut with a few friends in 1958. It happened to be the
first recording by the group that became The Beatles. John Duff Lowe was
the piano player in the band at the time. Paul McCartney found out about
the demo and bought it from Lowe for a large sum of money.
http://www.thebeatlessongbysong.com/ThatllBeTheDayScript.html
Kristjan
On 2017-10-09 20:53, Scott wrote:
> My father told me years ago that he made a record in the service and
> sent it home to my grandmother. He often wondered whatever happened to
> it and of course I was disappointed the recording was long lost.
> Imagine my surprise this past July when my brother, who still lives in
> the house we grew up in, was in the process of moving a cabinet when
> what should appear but the 7" Coca Cola sponsored record stating "your
> man in the service". Made sometime in the Summer of 1943, it had
> survived over 60 years in that house and Dad had forgotten that he had
> the disc the whole time. Scott Wenzel -----Original Message----- From:
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> Message: 1 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2017 15:04:46 -0500 From: Rodger Holtin
> 78-L <rjh334578 at gmail.com.invalid> Subject: Re: [78-L] USO records To:
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> <D877952B-8D26-428E-8DCD-FF7C37B8137E at gmail.com> Content-Type:
> text/plain; charset=us-ascii That's the most common attitude, to be
> sure, bit not universal. I was well-rewarded by tracking down a family
> an giving back some 1938 Prestos a couple years ago. There's a vet
> group nearby me that would love to try identifying and returning some
> of those WWII discs, so I've sent out the call. Rodger Sent from my
> iPhone, which explainz any bad typjng and nonsensical word choices.
>> On Oct 4, 2017, at 1:12 PM, Kristjan Saag <saag at telia.com.invalid>
>> wrote: I guess many of us have come across private recordings in
>> thrift-stores etc, and bought them or got them when buying whole
>> collections. I've often wondered how anyone would want to part from
>> such private documents from old relatives, but, of course, some of
>> these recordings have probably come from people who didn't have any
>> close relatives to take care of their stuff. Still, my impression is
>> that most young people today care very little both about our
>> collective history and the private one. "Why should I care about what
>> happened in the 1940's - I wasn't even born then" is a classical
>> comment. I guess it's the same in most western European countries and
>> in North America. My experience is Sweden - where there are no war
>> vet recordings to take care of or dismiss. But if we had, I'm not
>> sure many would care what happened to them. Kristjan
>>> On 2017-10-04 05:55, Rodger Holtin wrote: Listers, I recently
>>> attended an event for WWII vets and was engaged in some discussion
>>> of WWII era records. A recurring subject was the many records the
>>> servicemen cut at USO centers which they then sent home. I
>>> transferred one to CD for a friend and he posted it on his Facebook
>>> page. Discussing these records with vets and their families, it's
>>> certainly true that many of them have been separated from the
>>> families. I have been able to return a few old Prestos picked up a
>>> flea markets to the rightful families and now I wonder if you all
>>> would help me get the USO records you have back to the rightful
>>> families. Many will have names, and ranks which may be traceable -
>>> or, if they are untraceable, at least get them to veteran's groups.
>>> I have some connections which may find this a valuable project, if
>>> we can get the records back from folks who may have come into
>>> possession of them who have no connection with the vet. Any interest
>>> out there? Rodger Holtin Heneerson, TN For best results use Victor
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> 22:16:20 +0200 From: Kristjan Saag <saag at telia.com.invalid> Subject:
> Re: [78-L] USO records To: 78-L Mail List
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> <6b56ea6f-6664-1d1c-e73e-17b9c62f168c at telia.com> Content-Type:
> text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Nice to hear that, Rodger.
> Let's worship the exceptions - it's always rewarding to help them.
> Kristjan On 2017-10-04 22:04, Rodger Holtin 78-L wrote:
>> That's the most common attitude, to be sure, bit not universal. I was
>> well-rewarded by tracking down a family an giving back some 1938
>> Prestos a couple years ago. There's a vet group nearby me that would
>> love to try identifying and returning some of those WWII discs, so
>> I've sent out the call. Rodger Sent from my iPhone, which explainz
>> any bad typjng and nonsensical word choices.
>>> On Oct 4, 2017, at 1:12 PM, Kristjan Saag <saag at telia.com.invalid>
>>> wrote: I guess many of us have come across private recordings in
>>> thrift-stores etc, and bought them or got them when buying whole
>>> collections. I've often wondered how anyone would want to part from
>>> such private documents from old relatives, but, of course, some of
>>> these recordings have probably come from people who didn't have any
>>> close relatives to take care of their stuff. Still, my impression is
>>> that most young people today care very little both about our
>>> collective history and the private one. "Why should I care about
>>> what happened in the 1940's - I wasn't even born then" is a
>>> classical comment. I guess it's the same in most western European
>>> countries and in North America. My experience is Sweden - where
>>> there are no war vet recordings to take care of or dismiss. But if
>>> we had, I'm not sure many would care what happened to them. Kristjan
>>>> On 2017-10-04 05:55, Rodger Holtin wrote: Listers, I recently
>>>> attended an event for WWII vets and was engaged in some discussion
>>>> of WWII era records. A recurring subject was the many records the
>>>> servicemen cut at USO centers which they then sent home. I
>>>> transferred one to CD for a friend and he posted it on his Facebook
>>>> page. Discussing these records with vets and their families, it's
>>>> certainly true that many of them have been separated from the
>>>> families. I have been able to return a few old Prestos picked up a
>>>> flea markets to the rightful families and now I wonder if you all
>>>> would help me get the USO records you have back to the rightful
>>>> families. Many will have names, and ranks which may be traceable -
>>>> or, if they are untraceable, at least get them to veteran's groups.
>>>> I have some connections which may find this a valuable project, if
>>>> we can get the records back from folks who may have come into
>>>> possession of them who have no connection with the vet. Any
>>>> interest out there? Rodger Holtin Heneerson, TN For best results
>>>> use Victor Needles _______________________________________________
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> 08:43:33 +0200 From: Inigo Cubillo <ice261263 at gmail.com.invalid>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] USO records To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Not by war vets, but I've
> also come thru the years across several private recordings. I remember
> a big translucent red acetate covered aluminium disc, spoken by a
> Jesuitic priest, who is giving notice of his adventures to his
> relatives in Basque Country, Spain, specially to his mother. It seems
> he was at a catholic mission somewhere in South America, and instead
> of writing a letter, he recorded an acetate and sent it to Spain. I
> have another similar record, but don't remember now who speaks about
> what. Another one is a black acetate covered aluminium disc from the
> recording services of Radio Nacional de Espa?a. This is sung by a man,
> with piano accompaniment, and both sides have announcements at the
> start. One of the songs (a well-known lyric piece) is dedicated to the
> boss of the singer... a government employee at the Customs Services.
> The singers are identified in the labels, as also is the supposed
> receiver, spoken in the announcements. I have another one with an
> unidentified artist playing two piano pieces. I've come across several
> others, but each time I found them, I only picked one or two from the
> lot, to satisfy my curiosity, leaving back the others... Regards,
> Inigo Cubillo Madrid, SPAIN ------------------------------ Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 12:43:07 +0200 From: Kristjan Saag
> <saag at telia.com.invalid> Subject: Re: [78-L] USO records To: 78-L Mail
> List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com> Message-ID:
> <f4cf70d7-5170-af9f-ccba-46e0d773e2a1 at telia.com> Content-Type:
> text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed These old private recordings
> are of great interest for linguists! In the 1930' and 40's there were
> no home tape recorders or hobby sound film cameras, so the only way to
> preserve your voice was on acetate discs. AFAIK the home disc cutter
> never got big - you had to make your recordings in the commercial
> studios that offered such. Here in Sweden there were simple recording
> booths in some amusement parks, where people dropped in and recorded
> whatever happened to be on their mind. Usually they had been eating
> and drinking and were in good spirits, it's quite amusing to listen to
> those recordings. The reason the linguists are interested is that most
> of the documentary recordings that were made at the time were made in
> rural areas, to preserve the sound of more or less out-dying dialects.
> City dialects, at least in Sweden, were not mapped in the same way.
> Using early sound film for language studies doesn't work - the way
> actors spoke was always coloured by their role profiles and the?
> general understanding of how one was meant to speak. Singing, of
> course, didn't work either. I actually interviewed some linguists
> about this for a radio programme a few years ago and presented a
> couple of private recordings from the 1930's for them. They regretted
> that our "Library Of Congress", the National Library in Stockholm, who
> collects all commercial recordings made in Swedish and/or in Sweden,
> haven't collected private recordings. Usually, when collections were
> obtained by the library, all non-Swedish commercial discs and all
> private discs were disposed of. Kristjan On 2017-10-05 08:43, Inigo
> Cubillo wrote:
>> Not by war vets, but I've also come thru the years across several
>> private recordings. I remember a big translucent red acetate covered
>> aluminium disc, spoken by a Jesuitic priest, who is giving notice of
>> his adventures to his relatives in Basque Country, Spain, specially
>> to his mother. It seems he was at a catholic mission somewhere in
>> South America, and instead of writing a letter, he recorded an
>> acetate and sent it to Spain. I have another similar record, but
>> don't remember now who speaks about what. Another one is a black
>> acetate covered aluminium disc from the recording services of Radio
>> Nacional de Espa?a. This is sung by a man, with piano accompaniment,
>> and both sides have announcements at the start. One of the songs (a
>> well-known lyric piece) is dedicated to the boss of the singer... a
>> government employee at the Customs Services. The singers are
>> identified in the labels, as also is the supposed receiver, spoken in
>> the announcements. I have another one with an unidentified artist
>> playing two piano pieces. I've come across several others, but each
>> time I found them, I only picked one or two from the lot, to satisfy
>> my curiosity, leaving back the others... Regards, Inigo Cubillo
>> Madrid, SPAIN _______________________________________________ 78-L
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> 09:01:05 -0500 From: "gmail - i.collect.records"
> <i.collect.records at gmail.com.invalid> Subject: Re: [78-L] USO records
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com> Message-ID:
> <2bcc1e7f-749e-0dc6-fa0e-a198ef4b9172 at gmail.com> Content-Type:
> text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Perhaps it's like genealogy.
> I really dont care what my ancestors from so long ago did. I wasn't
> there, feel no connection to them. I feel more connection to old
> recordings even if they are from people I never heard of. Joe Salerno
> I collect Records of all formats, sizes and vintages. On 10/4/2017
> 3:16 PM, Kristjan Saag wrote:
>> Nice to hear that, Rodger. Let's worship the exceptions - it's always
>> rewarding to help them. Kristjan On 2017-10-04 22:04, Rodger Holtin
>> 78-L wrote:
>>> That's the most common attitude, to be sure, bit not universal. I
>>> was well-rewarded by tracking down a family an giving back some 1938
>>> Prestos a couple years ago. There's a vet group nearby me that would
>>> love to try identifying and returning some of those WWII discs, so
>>> I've sent out the call. Rodger Sent from my iPhone, which explainz
>>> any bad typjng and nonsensical word choices.
>>>> On Oct 4, 2017, at 1:12 PM, Kristjan Saag <saag at telia.com.invalid>
>>>> wrote: I guess many of us have come across private recordings in
>>>> thrift-stores etc, and bought them or got them when buying whole
>>>> collections. I've often wondered how anyone would want to part from
>>>> such private documents from old relatives, but, of course, some of
>>>> these recordings have probably come from people who didn't have any
>>>> close relatives to take care of their stuff. Still, my impression
>>>> is that most young people today care very little both about our
>>>> collective history and the private one. "Why should I care about
>>>> what happened in the 1940's - I wasn't even born then" is a
>>>> classical comment. I guess it's the same in most western European
>>>> countries and in North America. My experience is Sweden - where
>>>> there are no war vet recordings to take care of or dismiss. But if
>>>> we had, I'm not sure many would care what happened to them. Kristjan
>>>>> On 2017-10-04 05:55, Rodger Holtin wrote: Listers, I recently
>>>>> attended an event for WWII vets and was engaged in some discussion
>>>>> of WWII era records. A recurring subject was the many records the
>>>>> servicemen cut at USO centers which they then sent home. I
>>>>> transferred one to CD for a friend and he posted it on his
>>>>> Facebook page. Discussing these records with vets and their
>>>>> families, it's certainly true that many of them have been
>>>>> separated from the families. I have been able to return a few old
>>>>> Prestos picked up a flea markets to the rightful families and now
>>>>> I wonder if you all would help me get the USO records you have
>>>>> back to the rightful families. Many will have names, and ranks
>>>>> which may be traceable - or, if they are untraceable, at least get
>>>>> them to veteran's groups. I have some connections which may find
>>>>> this a valuable project, if we can get the records back from folks
>>>>> who may have come into possession of them who have no connection
>>>>> with the vet. Any interest out there? Rodger Holtin Heneerson, TN
>>>>> For best results use Victor Needles
>>>>> _______________________________________________ 78-L mailing list
>>>>> 78-L at klickitat.78online.com
>>>>> http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l
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> ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017
> 10:05:49 -0500 From: Rodger Holtin 78-L <rjh334578 at gmail.com.invalid>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] USO records To: 78-L Mail List
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> <7DC5A428-2D4A-4CC0-BE9D-2B483DE870D6 at gmail.com> Content-Type:
> text/plain; charset=us-ascii There's always going to be somebody
> interested in some facet of this stuff: Historians, linguists etc
> These private records are the answers to somebody's search for
> something and they are in greater need of preservation than 3500
> copies of Whispering by Paul Whiteman, (much as I love it). Has ARSC
> addressed this?? Ever? A number of years ago there was a presentation
> made appealing for preservation of advertising records. Did that ever
> get any traction?? Sent from my iPhone, which explainz any bad typjng
> and nonsensical word choices.
>> On Oct 5, 2017, at 9:01 AM, gmail - i.collect.records
>> <i.collect.records at gmail.com.invalid> wrote: Perhaps it's like
>> genealogy. I really dont care what my ancestors from so long ago did.
>> I wasn't there, feel no connection to them. I feel more connection to
>> old recordings even if they are from people I never heard of. Joe
>> Salerno I collect Records of all formats, sizes and vintages.
>>> On 10/4/2017 3:16 PM, Kristjan Saag wrote: Nice to hear that,
>>> Rodger. Let's worship the exceptions - it's always rewarding to help
>>> them. Kristjan
>>>> On 2017-10-04 22:04, Rodger Holtin 78-L wrote: That's the most
>>>> common attitude, to be sure, bit not universal. I was well-rewarded
>>>> by tracking down a family an giving back some 1938 Prestos a couple
>>>> years ago. There's a vet group nearby me that would love to try
>>>> identifying and returning some of those WWII discs, so I've sent
>>>> out the call. Rodger Sent from my iPhone, which explainz any bad
>>>> typjng and nonsensical word choices.
>>>>> On Oct 4, 2017, at 1:12 PM, Kristjan Saag <saag at telia.com.invalid>
>>>>> wrote: I guess many of us have come across private recordings in
>>>>> thrift-stores etc, and bought them or got them when buying whole
>>>>> collections. I've often wondered how anyone would want to part
>>>>> from such private documents from old relatives, but, of course,
>>>>> some of these recordings have probably come from people who didn't
>>>>> have any close relatives to take care of their stuff. Still, my
>>>>> impression is that most young people today care very little both
>>>>> about our collective history and the private one. "Why should I
>>>>> care about what happened in the 1940's - I wasn't even born then"
>>>>> is a classical comment. I guess it's the same in most western
>>>>> European countries and in North America. My experience is Sweden -
>>>>> where there are no war vet recordings to take care of or dismiss.
>>>>> But if we had, I'm not sure many would care what happened to them.
>>>>> Kristjan
>>>>>> On 2017-10-04 05:55, Rodger Holtin wrote: Listers, I recently
>>>>>> attended an event for WWII vets and was engaged in some
>>>>>> discussion of WWII era records. A recurring subject was the many
>>>>>> records the servicemen cut at USO centers which they then sent
>>>>>> home. I transferred one to CD for a friend and he posted it on
>>>>>> his Facebook page. Discussing these records with vets and their
>>>>>> families, it's certainly true that many of them have been
>>>>>> separated from the families. I have been able to return a few old
>>>>>> Prestos picked up a flea markets to the rightful families and now
>>>>>> I wonder if you all would help me get the USO records you have
>>>>>> back to the rightful families. Many will have names, and ranks
>>>>>> which may be traceable - or, if they are untraceable, at least
>>>>>> get them to veteran's groups. I have some connections which may
>>>>>> find this a valuable project, if we can get the records back from
>>>>>> folks who may have come into possession of them who have no
>>>>>> connection with the vet. Any interest out there? Rodger Holtin
>>>>>> Heneerson, TN For best results use Victor Needles
>>>>>> _______________________________________________ 78-L mailing list
>>>>>> 78-L at klickitat.78online.com
>>>>>> http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Speaking of home movies, a
> recent DVD of ABBOTT & COSTELLO RARITES features sound home movies of
> the Lou Costello fsmily from the early 40s. Costello was a real movie
> buff, with state-of-the-art 16mm Kodachrome sound equipment, the
> results of which still look and sound superb today. Dave Weiner
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kristjan Saag <saag at telia.com.invalid> Sent: Oct 5, 2017 6:43
>> AM To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com> Subject: Re:
>> [78-L] USO records These old private recordings are of great interest
>> for linguists! In the 1930' and 40's there were no home tape
>> recorders or hobby sound film cameras, so the only way to preserve
>> your voice was on acetate discs.
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