[78-L] Columbia A1608 - Old Comrades March

[zimrec@juno.com]

I just had an email exchange with Mike Thomas whose website lists records on the British Phoenix label:http://mgthomas.co.uk/Records/LabelPages/Phoenix.htm. First, he confirmed that the web page has a typo and the mx for Old Comrades March on Phoenix 02 is X95.  The web page shows X85 and, as of 15:30 today, has not been corrected.  Second, Mike is of the opinion that X95 is a master of British origin, which seems plausible considering that the reverse of Col A1608 is a Stanley Kirkby recording dating from 1914. Art Zimmerman ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 21:25:01 GMTFrom: "zimrec at juno.com" <zimrec at juno.com.invalid>Subject: [78-L] Columbia A1608 - Old Comrades MarchTo: 78-l at klickitat.78online.comMessage-ID: <20160811.172501.1873.0 at webmail05.dca.untd.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252Re the Stanley Kirkby side, I'm assuming that it was an imported recording.  Kirkby was an English singer and the master was issued on Oxfordhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvxrOujOOuwand on a British Regalhttp://www.45worlds.com/78rpm/record/g6801Art ZimmermanDate: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 20:29:44 +0200From: Kristjan Saag <saag at telia.com.invalid>Subject: Re: [78-L] Columbia A1608 - Old Comrades MarchTo: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.
78online.com>Message-ID: <805c118b-6b3a-a629-3517-a5d57a47aaf8 at telia.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowedHere's a picture of the record's B-side:http
s://www.discogs.com/Stanley-Kirkby-Columbia-Band-Its-A-Long-Long-Way-To-Tipperary-Old-Comrades-March/release/5782606(click: "more images")"Columbia Band", "Columbia Orchestra", "Columbia Quartette" were names of studio orchestras sometimes renamed as The Imperial Guards Band, The Burlington Orchestra or The Granville Quartette etc. Some of these recordings are listed herehttp://mgthomas.co.uk/Rec
ords/LabelPages/Phoenix.htmbeing re-released in the 1910's on British Columbia's subsidiary label Phoenix, who also used the X-prefix as control number covering the original Columbia mx numbers, like the 00095-1 for "Old Comrades".Seems like the 1914 US reissue, instead of using Columbia's original 00095 mx number, used the Phoenix control number as mx number. (The Phoenix label numbers had an O-prefix).Anyway, it's pretty sure that "Old Comrades" was an original US recording on Columbia - there are lot of other US recordings listed here with similar mx-numbers:http://www.musikt
iteldb.de/Interpreten/1737.htmlall of the from 1900-1904.Question is if the recording was is sued on Columbia or some other label before the reissue in 1914.KristjanOn 2016-08-09 21:33, zimrec at juno.com wrote:> Having turned up a copy of Columbia A1608, I am curious to know the > source of the master of Old Comrades March. Mx number is X-95. > Composer's name on label is misspelled as Tirke. It is Carl Tieke. Old > Comrades - Alte Komeraden in the original German - is Tieke's most > famous composition, still played today by concert and marching bands. > As the recording is not listed in the DAHR database, I expect that it > is an imported master.Art Zimmerman 

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