[78-L] Lousy on 78s- great as reissue

[David Lennick]

In my opinion, both (first question). I think alternate takes were recorded on the same 16" disc because in transferring some sets I found notable differences between sides, with some distinctly lacking in highs. The recordings were made on 16" discs and dubbed to 78RPM using different equalizations at different times and some may have been dubbed from second generation copies of the 16" discs. Whether this was done for convenience or Columbia really anticipated the development of a long playing record in 1940 .. you be the judge. Dubbing meant cleaner source material for when the stampers wore out, which probably happened faster with the lamination process. Other companies also recorded their originals at 33 and dubbed to 78..Decca began doing it in 1943, Capitol maybe around the same time, smaller labels like Asch and the Joe Davis labels (you'll find 3 different transfers of the same recording on Beacon, Gennett and Davis) and Varsity (2 different transfers exist of She Had to Go and Lose It at the Astor).

Our copy of Stock's Rumanian Rhapsody had 3 sides that were dubbed at different times, each with a different EQ.

dl

> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com; ARSCLIST at listserv.loc.gov
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 10:01:45 -0400
> From: ron at roscotron.com.invalid
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Lousy on 78s- great as reissue
> 
> 
> Could someone please help out a neophyte here?
> When you say "whole 78 length takes to 33 1/3 transcription disk" does this
> mean that a 16" lacquer was used record just 4 1/2 minutes to be then
> transferred to a 78 master, or were individual tracks recorded on the
> lacquer, each long enough to fit on one 78" side?
> 
> Also, why do the 78's sound dismal but the LP's sound full and modern if
> they both came from the same lacquer source?  Equalization?
> 
> I find this discussion very interesting, having been brought up on late 78's
> and early mono LP's, many of which were transferred to LP from 78's on such
> labels as RCA's Camden label and Columbia's Entre label.  I think I have
> both the Columbia78 album of Frederick Stock's Chicago Symphony recording of
> Enesco's Roumanian Rhapsody #1 [a favorite when I was 4!] as well as the
> Columbia Entre transfer of that same recording.  Would anyone know the
> actual source of the original recording?  I'll have to listen to both of
> these now in light of this discussion!
> 
> Thanks,
> Ron Roscoe
> 
> 
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> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Worth
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 5:08 PM
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> Subject: [78-L] Lousy on 78s- great as reissue
> 
> 
> The Rodzinski Walkure Act 3 with Traubel was recorded in whole 78 length
> takes to 33 1/3 transcription disk and then dubbed back to 78. I have both
> the 78s and the earliest LP release at the beginning of Long Play records
> (in coarse groove) and there is no comparison. The LP sounds full and
> modern, and the 78s sound dismal. The only problem with the LP is that they
> had to do the side joins on the fly DJ style, and some of them get a little
> bit off beat until the cross fade ends.
> 
> Stephen Worth
> sworth at vintageip.com
> 
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