[78-L] Great Singers "Era" (would be all eras)

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Certainly some interesting exchanges from some erudite and passionate  
fans on all fronts. Glad I posed the question. Thanks to you all for  
the insights. Thomas - still with us??

I wonder what the kids are doing over on facebook....

Sent from my iPod - which explainz any bad typjng


On Apr 29, 2014, at 12:01 PM, "Joe Scott" <joenscott at mail.com> wrote:

> Well, as far as instrumentalists go, once Woody Herman's clarinet  
> playing was no longer modern enough to impress other jazz musicians  
> (about 1947), you couldn't hold your head up in jazz and make  
> anything the general public wanted to hear (successfully marketed  
> anomalies such as Dave "I Have To Do With College" Brubeck aside).  
> So if you were Frank Beecher, formerly with Goodman, you ended up  
> playing with Bill Haley. If you were Lee Allen, who'd dreamed of  
> soloing in Lunceford's band, you ended up playing with Little Richard.
>
> The public didn't want to hear Benny Goodman just improvise through  
> a whole record any more -- but never really had, either, had wanted  
> him with Helen Forrest or Peggy Lee or the like, mostly. The public  
> knew Jimmy Rushing as "Mr. Five By Five" much better than they knew  
> Lester Young as "Pres." The Big Band or Swing Era was a singers' era.
>
> Joseph Scott
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Malcolm Rockwell
> Sent: 04/29/14 10:37 AM
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> Subject: Re: [78-L] the end of the Great Singers Era
>
> Could it be that people began trying too hard to be Great Singers,  
> instead of actually being great singers? There is a certain level of  
> phoniness to be dealt with here. For example it's possible Judy  
> Garland was a person who ended up believing her own press releases.  
> And Billie Holiday was not. Also I feel the public got lost in the  
> (melodic and harmonic) complexity that jazz became and that is why  
> it dwindled. Same happened with Hawaiian steel guitar playing.  
> Taking a simple, grinnable concept and turning it into a no-grin  
> situation. The inverse happened with the ukulele. It was born simple  
> and stayed that way. And it's still popular. Malcolm ******* On  
> 4/29/2014 5:24 AM, Joe Scott wrote: > "I think that from about 1945,  
> there were fewer and fewer tunes that lent themselves to jazz  
> interpretation. I'm not saying that was a good or a bad thing, just  
> a statement of fact." > I don't think it's really more difficult for  
> a person to make jazz out of "Raindrops Are Falling On My H
> ead" than out of "Ol' Man River," I think the general public lost  
> interest in jazz interpretations of the latest hits because they'd  
> lost interest in jazz. > Joseph Scott >  
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