[78-L] Rock & Roll rising (was: Escott, was Arnold Covey)
eugene hayhoe
jazzme48912 at yahoo.com
Wed Mar 19 06:32:27 PDT 2014
The LYRICS were the point, not the recording date.
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On Wed, 3/19/14, Erwin Kluwer <ekluwer at gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [78-L] Rock & Roll rising (was: Escott, was Arnold Covey)
To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 9:23 AM
This Carl Perkins recording is
from 1956...so quite a bit later..
Earliest real Rock a Billy tune by Carl was GONE GONE GONE
from mid 1955
Before that he had Turn Around (country tear jerker))
and Movie Magg is a
bit more like it but hell no .. not like Good Rocking
Tonight!
Plus Carl was not cool, balding en moved like a broomstick
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 2:08 PM, eugene hayhoe <jazzme48912 at yahoo.com>wrote:
> Chronology doesn't matter, eh? 'The event that happened
later was the
> first.'
>
> Seems to me that Carl Perkins knew something about the
truth:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yINTIlkc70M
> ''All my friends are boppin' the blues, it must be
goin' 'round...''
>
> I've no problems with Presley, I just know that 'even
he knew he wasn't
> the first.'
>
> http://yellowdogrecords.com/calvinnewborn/calvin_newborn_biography.html
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 3/19/14, Erwin Kluwer <ekluwer at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Rock & Roll rising (was:
Escott, was Arnold Covey)
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 8:53 AM
>
> Buddy Holly said he was the first
>
> Roy Orbison stated the same as John Lennon...
>
> Jackie Wilson: "blacks stole more form Elvis then
the other
> way around.."
>
> Somehow I trust the opinions of the above
mentioned
> gentlemen a bit more
> then what is thrown around here..
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:45 PM, eugene hayhoe
<jazzme48912 at yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
> > ''The train I ride, 16 couches long...''
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghv498qwuiY
> > Mystery Train, Junior Parker
> >
> > 'Junior Parker, not particularly marketable
to white
> teen girls in 1950s
> > America,' LOL.
> >
> > As for the musical elements, 'they are all
there.'
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > On Wed, 3/19/14, Erwin Kluwer <ekluwer at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Subject: Re: [78-L] Rock & Roll
rising (was:
> Escott, was Arnold Covey)
> > To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 8:34
AM
> >
> > to me rock n roll is almost more
> > informed an attitude then a pure
musical
> > style;;
> >
> > and there was only ONE who had it ALL
together in
> summer of
> > 1954 (the
> > clothes,good looks, the
attitude, the
> moves, that NEW
> > sound...a band
> > sound new so cool,
streamlined..
> >
> > Elvis is man who started it..
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 6:46 PM,
eugene hayhoe
> <jazzme48912 at yahoo.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > And then, of course, going back
to Sun,
> there are the
> > numerous pre-Presley
> > > Sun sides that were templates for
late '60s
> > 'blues/rock' like James
> > > Cotton's Cotton Crop Blues,
Wolf's How Many
> More Years?
> > and numerous of
> > > Junior Parker's Sun recordings to
name just
> a
> > few. From what I've
read,
> > > Hendrix's use of the name
'the Blue
> Flames' was
> > in direct homage to Parker
> > > and his records.
> > >
> > >
> > > I'd also say 'let's not forget
the Ravens'
> when it
> > comes to 'r&b/country
> > > crossover.'
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQACHFa3SBU
> > > Rooster
> > >
> > >
> > >
> --------------------------------------------
> > > On Tue, 3/18/14, Joe Scott <joenscott at mail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [78-L] Rock
& Roll
> rising (was:
> > Escott, was Arnold Covey)
> > > To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> > > Date: Tuesday, March 18,
2014, 12:06
> PM
> > >
> > > ----- Original
Message
> -----
> > > From: eugene hayhoe
> > > Sent: 03/17/14 05:53 PM
> > > To: 78-L Mail List
> > > Subject: Re: [78-L] Rock
& Roll
> rising (was:
> > Escott, was
> > > Arnold Covey)
> > >
> > > Country's here, so is
Wynonie -
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR_A4Su-TrI Hank
> > Penny's
> > > Bloodshot EyesFrom a few
years after
> their
> > formation on,
> > > King assigned songs they
controlled to
> artists
> > without
> > > worrying about the origins
of the
> songs (for
> > financial
> > > reasons), which is
something Louis
> Jordan had not
> > been
> > > worrying about for years
too. But
> there was
> > rarely much
> > > "hillbilly" about the
performances by
> the black
> > artists in
> > > those situations during
that period
> (as an aside,
> > imo even
> > > Otis Blackwell's conscious
attempts to
> sound
> > somewhat
> > > hillbilly about '52 didn't
sound all
> that
> > > hillbilly).Paralleling
Cary's point
> that if a
> > hillbilly band
> > > added a saxophonist, that's
a clue
> they were
> > interested in
> > > R&B, when a black band
added
> > hillbilly-associated
> > > instrumentation that was a
clue they
> were
> > interested in
> > > hillbilly music, e.g. steel
guitar on
> Buddy
> > Lucas's
> > > "Undecided" in about '51 --
but that
> approach was
> > very rare
> > > in black music during
'45-'49. E.g.
> there were
> > tons of
> > > blacks who rememb
> > > ered how to play
the fiddle
> as of the
> > late '40s and the
> > > opportunity to do so on
R&B
> records was
> > almost zero, in
> > > contrast to greater use of
fiddle back
> when Big
> > Joe Williams
> > > began recording and
earlier. Roy
> Milton recorded
> > a nice
> > > "Along The Navajo Trail" in
actual
> hillbillyish
> > style
> > > (unlike e.g. Wynonie imo)
in about
> '47, Specialty
> > didn't
> > > bother to put it out at
the
> time.Joseph Scott
> > >
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