[78-L] Rock & Roll rising (was: Escott, was Arnold Covey)

eugene hayhoe jazzme48912 at yahoo.com
Wed Mar 19 06:32:27 PDT 2014


The LYRICS were the point, not the recording date.


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On Wed, 3/19/14, Erwin Kluwer <ekluwer at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [78-L] Rock & Roll rising (was: Escott, was Arnold Covey)
 To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
 Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 9:23 AM
 
 This Carl Perkins  recording is
 from 1956...so quite a bit later..
 
 Earliest real Rock a Billy tune by Carl was GONE GONE GONE
 from mid 1955
 
 Before that he had Turn Around  (country tear jerker))
 and Movie Magg is a
 bit more like it but hell no .. not like  Good Rocking
 Tonight!
 
 Plus Carl was not cool, balding en moved like a broomstick
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 2:08 PM, eugene hayhoe <jazzme48912 at yahoo.com>wrote:
 
 > Chronology doesn't matter, eh? 'The event that happened
 later was the
 > first.'
 >
 > Seems to me that Carl Perkins knew something about the
 truth:
 >
 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yINTIlkc70M
 > ''All my friends are boppin' the blues, it must be
 goin' 'round...''
 >
 > I've no problems with Presley, I just know that 'even
 he knew he wasn't
 > the first.'
 >
 > http://yellowdogrecords.com/calvinnewborn/calvin_newborn_biography.html
 >
 > --------------------------------------------
 > On Wed, 3/19/14, Erwin Kluwer <ekluwer at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 >
 >  Subject: Re: [78-L] Rock & Roll rising (was:
 Escott, was Arnold Covey)
 >  To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
 >  Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 8:53 AM
 >
 >  Buddy Holly said he was the first
 >
 >  Roy Orbison stated the same as John Lennon...
 >
 >  Jackie Wilson: "blacks stole more form Elvis then
 the other
 >  way around.."
 >
 >  Somehow I trust the opinions of the above
 mentioned
 >  gentlemen a bit more
 >  then what is thrown around here..
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >  On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:45 PM, eugene hayhoe
 <jazzme48912 at yahoo.com
 > >wrote:
 >
 >  > ''The train I ride, 16 couches long...''
 >  >
 >  > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghv498qwuiY
 >  > Mystery Train, Junior Parker
 >  >
 >  > 'Junior Parker, not particularly marketable
 to white
 >  teen girls in 1950s
 >  > America,' LOL.
 >  >
 >  > As for the musical elements, 'they are all
 there.'
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
 --------------------------------------------
 >  > On Wed, 3/19/14, Erwin Kluwer <ekluwer at gmail.com>
 >  wrote:
 >  >
 >  >  Subject: Re: [78-L] Rock & Roll
 rising (was:
 >  Escott, was Arnold Covey)
 >  >  To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
 >  >  Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 8:34
 AM
 >  >
 >  >  to me rock n roll is almost more
 >  >  informed an attitude then a pure
 musical
 >  >  style;;
 >  >
 >  >  and there was only ONE who had it ALL
 together in
 >  summer of
 >  >  1954 (the
 >  >  clothes,good looks,  the
 attitude, the
 >  moves, that NEW
 >  >  sound...a band
 >  >  sound  new so cool,
 streamlined..
 >  >
 >  >  Elvis is man who started it..
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >  On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 6:46 PM,
 eugene hayhoe
 >  <jazzme48912 at yahoo.com
 >  > >wrote:
 >  >
 >  >  > And then, of course, going back
 to Sun,
 >  there are the
 >  >  numerous pre-Presley
 >  >  > Sun sides that were templates for
 late '60s
 >  >  'blues/rock' like James
 >  >  > Cotton's Cotton Crop Blues,
 Wolf's How Many
 >  More Years?
 >  >  and numerous of
 >  >  > Junior Parker's Sun recordings to
 name just
 >  a
 >  >  few.   From what I've
 read,
 >  >  > Hendrix's use of the name 
 'the Blue
 >  Flames' was
 >  >  in direct homage to Parker
 >  >  > and his records.
 >  >  >
 >  >  >
 >  >  > I'd also say 'let's not forget
 the Ravens'
 >  when it
 >  >  comes to 'r&b/country
 >  >  > crossover.'
 >  >  >
 >  >  > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQACHFa3SBU
 >  >  > Rooster
 >  >  >
 >  >  >
 >  >  >
 >  --------------------------------------------
 >  >  > On Tue, 3/18/14, Joe Scott <joenscott at mail.com>
 >  >  wrote:
 >  >  >
 >  >  >  Subject: Re: [78-L] Rock
 & Roll
 >  rising (was:
 >  >  Escott, was Arnold Covey)
 >  >  >  To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
 >  >  >  Date: Tuesday, March 18,
 2014, 12:06
 >  PM
 >  >  >
 >  >  >   ----- Original
 Message
 >  -----
 >  >  >  From: eugene hayhoe
 >  >  >  Sent: 03/17/14 05:53 PM
 >  >  >  To: 78-L Mail List
 >  >  >  Subject: Re: [78-L] Rock
 & Roll
 >  rising (was:
 >  >  Escott, was
 >  >  >  Arnold Covey)
 >  >  >
 >  >  >  Country's here, so is
 Wynonie -
 >  >  > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR_A4Su-TrI Hank
 >  >  Penny's
 >  >  >  Bloodshot EyesFrom a few
 years after
 >  their
 >  >  formation on,
 >  >  >  King assigned songs they
 controlled to
 >  artists
 >  >  without
 >  >  >  worrying about the origins
 of the
 >  songs (for
 >  >  financial
 >  >  >  reasons), which is
 something Louis
 >  Jordan had not
 >  >  been
 >  >  >  worrying about for years
 too. But
 >  there was
 >  >  rarely much
 >  >  >  "hillbilly" about the
 performances by
 >  the black
 >  >  artists in
 >  >  >  those situations during
 that period
 >  (as an aside,
 >  >  imo even
 >  >  >  Otis Blackwell's conscious
 attempts to
 >  sound
 >  >  somewhat
 >  >  >  hillbilly about '52 didn't
 sound all
 >  that
 >  >  >  hillbilly).Paralleling
 Cary's point
 >  that if a
 >  >  hillbilly band
 >  >  >  added a saxophonist, that's
 a clue
 >  they were
 >  >  interested in
 >  >  >  R&B, when a black band
 added
 >  >  hillbilly-associated
 >  >  >  instrumentation that was a
 clue they
 >  were
 >  >  interested in
 >  >  >  hillbilly music, e.g. steel
 guitar on
 >  Buddy
 >  >  Lucas's
 >  >  >  "Undecided" in about '51 --
 but that
 >  approach was
 >  >  very rare
 >  >  >  in black music during
 '45-'49. E.g.
 >  there were
 >  >  tons of
 >  >  >  blacks who rememb
 >  >  >   ered how to play
 the fiddle
 >  as of the
 >  >  late '40s and the
 >  >  >  opportunity to do so on
 R&B
 >  records was
 >  >  almost zero, in
 >  >  >  contrast to greater use of
 fiddle back
 >  when Big
 >  >  Joe Williams
 >  >  >  began recording and
 earlier. Roy
 >  Milton recorded
 >  >  a nice
 >  >  >  "Along The Navajo Trail" in
 actual
 >  hillbillyish
 >  >  style
 >  >  >  (unlike e.g. Wynonie imo)
 in about
 >  '47, Specialty
 >  >  didn't
 >  >  >  bother to put it out at
 the
 >  time.Joseph Scott
 >  >  >
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