[78-L] 78-L Digest, Vol 63, Issue 30, Edison Sample Records
Ate van Delden
ate.vandelden at worldonline.nl
Fri Dec 27 13:51:20 PST 2013
The series went at least as far as Sample 13. I have label scans of 1, 7, 8,
9, 10, 11, 12, 13.
For my Adrian Rollini project I need a recording (mp3 would be fine) of the
he Golden Gate Orchestra tracks on Sample Records 1, 2, 6, 11, 13 and label
scans of 2 and 6. Who can help?
Ate van Delden
The Adrian Rollini Project
Netherlands
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> 4. 12" Edison Sample Records (Clifford Bolling)
> 5. Re: 12" Edison Sample Records (Ron L'Herault)
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> 7. Re: Autry's Rudolph (DAVID BURNHAM)
> 8. Re: Autry's Rudolph (David Lennick)
> 9. Re: 12" Edison Sample Records (Jamie Kelly)
> 10. Re: Autry's Rudolph (Randy Watts)
> 11. Re: Sound forge or adobie sound booth question (John Wright)
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> 13. Re: Sound forge or adobie sound booth question (Ron L'Herault)
> 14. Re: 12" Edison Sample Records (S P)
> 15. Re: 12" Edison Sample Records (David Lennick)
> 16. Re: Electric guitar before 1939 (Joe Scott)
> 17. Re: Electric guitar before 1939 (Cary Ginell)
> 18. Re: Electric guitar before 1939 (Malcolm Rockwell)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 17:07:40 -0500
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Autry's Rudolph
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> No, the breakup version of Jingle Bells is a classic. And it's on the MCA
> 2-CD
> set of Bing and the Andrews Sisters, although it's not listed on the
> outside!
>
> dl
>
> On 12/26/2013 2:05 PM, Dave Burnham wrote:
>> As I've written here before, there's a similar situation with "Frosty";
>> the version on the complete Gene Autry CD is slightly different than the
>> 78 we all know so well. The differences are barely noticeable but they're
>> enough to prove that this is a different take. I also heard, coming from
>> store speakers yesterday, the famous Bing Crosby/Andrews sisters "Jingle
>> Bells" which had a different ending. I've never heard one of these
>> alternate versions sound better than - or even as good as the original
>> version.
>>
>> db
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Dec 26, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Guyotsmith at aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>> One"Rudolph" was recorded for Columbia in 1949, and the second was
>>> recorded
>>> for Challenge - Gene's own label - in 1957. The latter appeared on the
>>> Pickwick labels in the '60s and '70s. Belated Merry Christmas.
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 12/26/2013 9:01:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> rjh334578 at yahoo.com writes:
>>>
>>> Yesterday I was subjected to a non-stop barrage of holiday songs from
>>> commercial radio, Pandora and Roku. I heard two distinct versions of
>>> Autry's Rudolph, one somewhat faster than the other. Could these be
>>> alternates from the same session or did he remake it?
>>>
>>> Same question RE: Dean Martin's Baby it's Cold Outside. We heard two
>>> versions of thaat, too; one with a single female doing the girl part,
>>> another with a female chorus. Alternates or remake?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPod - which explainz any bad typjng
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 14:21:21 -0800 (PST)
> From: eugene hayhoe <jazzme48912 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Reuss was Etri was Christian
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> Didn't sound anything like Christian, but 'Casey Bill' Weldon was
> recording on electric in the 1930s as well. Of course, there's also guys
> like Ceele Burke and Bob Dunn.
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Thu, 12/26/13, Joe Scott <joenscott at mail.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Reuss was Etri was Christian
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Date: Thursday, December 26, 2013, 1:29 PM
>
> Here are some excerpts from Barnes'
> interview in Guitar Player 2/75:
> "In 1935, I started recording with the top black blues
> artists of that time." That would be before, for instance,
> Zeke Campbell was recording on electric, but really it was
> 1938, after he was.
>
> "At 16, I made my first record under my group's own name. We
> recorded 'I'm Forever Blowing Bubbles' and "I Can't Believe
> That You're in Love With Me," for Okeh records." That would
> be before Christian, but really it was two years later than
> that, after Christian.
> Imo regionalism is usually overrated in understanding the
> growth of U.S. music. Playing like a jazz horn player on a
> guitar was something anyone who admired any jazz horn player
> -- or admired Lang or Django -- could take up, whether in
> Texas or New York or wherever, while hanging out with
> fiddlers or Bechet or whoever.
> Joseph Scott
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: warren moorman
> Sent: 12/23/13 01:25 PM
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> Subject: Re: [78-L] Reuss was Etri was Christian
>
> Joseph, you're certainly right about the role of hawaiian
> guitarists, as well as the conflicting accounts from Durham,
> Paul, et al, which also simply stem from them having been
> well known and available in later years to be asked! I
> believe both aural and other evidence does pretty well
> indicate Barnes' electric is present on some '38 sides
> (although, per Julian's post re Blind John Davis, it's the
> later 1948 Davis cut "Magic Carpet" that most heavily
> featured Barnes, and a great side it is). Of course we
> realize that the evolution of purely acoustic to completely
> electric and later solid body electric was a continuum that
> encompassed resonator and mic-amplified acoustic, e.g.
> Hittin' The Bottle, and aurally the boundary was
> occasionally unclear. I'd love to know for sure the
> amplified acoustic player on Georgia White's "The Blues
> Ain't Nothin'", (perhaps Lonnie Johnson, but not certain). I
> just think Ware's adept and indisputably electric recordings
> of 1938 are more notable t
> han they're usually given credit as proof of the spread of
> electric guitar pre-Christian, and I certainly think Ware's
> Spirituals To Swing appearance on electric should be rescued
> from historical oblivion; imagine if Robert Johnson made the
> show as Hammond first intended, playing with amplification!
> Also, perhaps I should have said big beat rather than back
> beat, but I do think a back beat feel emerges in some of the
> more idiomatic boogie piano playing, e.g. some slower Ammons
> pieces, and they long predated R&B's rhythmic
> assertions. I'm an amateur on the subject, but my thinking
> is informed by hearing both Chet Atkins and Ahmet Ertegun
> say much the same thing. Anyway, for all the other reasons I
> gave-the elevation of "roots" awareness, boogie's emergence
> to prominence, the early inclusion of electric guitar in a
> highly visible popular music showcase (Carnegie Hall, no
> less), the spur to Blue Note Records and Cafe Society
> nightclub, and so on, it's worth noting the 75th anni
> versary of Spirituals To Swing today, Dec. 23. Thanks for
> the stimulating discussion, and yuletide cheers to all,
> Warren Moorman On Monday, December 23, 2013 1:30 PM, Julian
> Vein <julianvein at blueyonder.co.uk>
> wrote: On 23/12/13 18:16, Joe Scott wrote: > Thanks
> Warren. > > For anyone who's interested in these
> pioneers, it's worth knowing that something George Barnes,
> Eddie Durham, Les Paul, and T-Bone Walker unfortunately had
> in common is that they told stories about their
> chronological primacy that conflict pretty glaringly with
> other sources. In the case of Barnes, he gave an interview
> to the WPA on May 10, 1939 (e.g., in connection with the
> fact that horn players influenced his own guitar playing,
> "You know I never heard any guitar solos until a year ago,"
> & "I played in my first orchestra a year and a half
> ago") that conflicts with inflated claims he made when he
> was much older. Similarly, T-Bone's stories varied, but he
> once mentioned that the first electric guitarist he
> ? ever heard was Les Paul, which is more likely to be
> true than his claim to have been playing electric guitar
> well before 1939. His wife's recollection involving him
> learning to play electric guitar right about 1940 is
> probably correct. > > Joseph Scott >
> =============== Barnes is rumoured to have accompanied
> various blues singers for Bluebird and Vocalion around 1938.
> I heard a story about Blind John Davis appearing in France
> in the early 1950s and the audience expecting him to be
> playing electric guitar, when in fact it had been played by
> Barnes on record and Davis had played piano! He contributes
> two great performances on Louise Massey's "Billie Boy" and
> "Polly Wolly Doodle". He's also on a Squirrel Ashcraft
> private recording of "I Know That You Know", which also
> contains a brilliant bass sax solo by Spencer Clark. Julian
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 17:55:49 -0500
> From: "Doug Caldwell" <rw78stuff at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Sound forge or adobie sound booth question
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> I can offer some suggestions IF Sound Forge 10 works the same as SF 8,
> which
> I use. Under the Effects menu you?ll find ?Pitch,? hover on that & you?ll
> see ?Bend? or ?Shift? --- select Shift; set semi-tone slider to 12 (the
> duration of the file will be cut in ? and the pitch will go up an octave)
> SF
> recommends setting Accuracy to ?High? and checking the Anti-Alias box.
>
> In case SF 10 no longer offers pitch shift as an effect, for some reason
> it
> is also accessible as a plug-in. So you can go to the View menu, go to
> Plug-In Manager, find Pitch Shift and drag it onto the screen (not the
> boarders, but where the wave file is displayed)
>
> dc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault
> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 10:43 AM
> To: '78-L Mail List'
> Subject: [78-L] Sound forge or adobie sound booth question
>
> I've just digitized a file from a tape running at 7.5 ips that really
> should
> be going 15 ips. Although I've 'sped up' 78s to equal 80 rpm, I don't
> seem
> to be able to get the tape file to double its speed. I'd appreciate a
> tutorial (privately to lherault at verizon dot net is fine) for either
> sound
> forge pro 10 or adobe sound booth CS3 so that I can get it right. I've
> got
> a pile of 10.5" reels that go at 15 but the only player I have that does
> that speed will only accommodate 7" reels.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron L
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 18:47:26 -0800 (PST)
> From: Clifford Bolling <78records at cdbpdx.com>
> Subject: [78-L] 12" Edison Sample Records
> To: 78-l Online <78-l at 78online.com>
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> Just brought home an Edison C250 today that had 3-12" sample records
> inside, Nos. 9, 10, & 11.? I've heard about them but these are the first
> I've seen.??Seems there isn't a lot of info floating around about these.?
> Are they scarce/rare?? How high does the series go?? Beyond 11?? How
> frequently were they issued?? Stuff like that.
>
> The 2 drawers were full of Diamond Discs and more than half had their
> original sleeves with stickers describing the artists and songs, all with
> the embossed labels.? I think this bunch of records is original to the
> machine.? Very cool!
>
> There were also?a few?of the 57000 series (german).?
>
> Any info would be appreciated.? Thanks!? CDB?
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 22:05:33 -0500
> From: "Ron L'Herault" <lherault at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] 12" Edison Sample Records
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> I'm pretty sure they are super rare. Nice find!!!
>
> Ron L
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Clifford Bolling
> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 9:47 PM
> To: 78-l Online
> Subject: [78-L] 12" Edison Sample Records
>
> Just brought home an Edison C250 today that had 3-12" sample records
> inside,
> Nos. 9, 10, & 11.? I've heard about them but these are the first I've
> seen.??Seems there isn't a lot of info floating around about these.? Are
> they scarce/rare?? How high does the series go?? Beyond 11?? How
> frequently
> were they issued?? Stuff like that.
>
> The 2 drawers were full of Diamond Discs and more than half had their
> original sleeves with stickers describing the artists and songs, all with
> the embossed labels.? I think this bunch of records is original to the
> machine.? Very cool!
>
> There were also?a few?of the 57000 series (german).?
>
> Any info would be appreciated.? Thanks!? CDB
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 22:07:43 -0500
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] 12" Edison Sample Records
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
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>
> At least one has super fine grooving. I was transferring it and wondered
> why
> the stylus had moved only a quarter inch and played at least a minute of
> music.
>
> dl
>
> On 12/26/2013 10:05 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote:
>> I'm pretty sure they are super rare. Nice find!!!
>>
>> Ron L
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
>> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Clifford
>> Bolling
>> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 9:47 PM
>> To: 78-l Online
>> Subject: [78-L] 12" Edison Sample Records
>>
>> Just brought home an Edison C250 today that had 3-12" sample records
>> inside,
>> Nos. 9, 10,& 11. I've heard about them but these are the first I've
>> seen. Seems there isn't a lot of info floating around about these. Are
>> they scarce/rare? How high does the series go? Beyond 11? How
>> frequently
>> were they issued? Stuff like that.
>>
>> The 2 drawers were full of Diamond Discs and more than half had their
>> original sleeves with stickers describing the artists and songs, all with
>> the embossed labels. I think this bunch of records is original to the
>> machine. Very cool!
>>
>> There were also a few of the 57000 series (german).
>>
>> Any info would be appreciated. Thanks! CDB
>> _______________________________________________
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 19:09:02 -0800 (PST)
> From: DAVID BURNHAM <burnhamd at rogers.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Autry's Rudolph
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
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>
> I don't know which 2-CD set you're talking about but if it's the one that
> claims to have all of the Crosby Christmas recordings, (including 4 Silent
> Nights, 2 or 3 Adeste Fidelis and a number of White Christmases), the
> Jingle Bells on that set is the same 1943 recording that was on the common
> 10 inch 78.
>
> db
>
>
>
> On Thursday, December 26, 2013 5:08:02 PM, David Lennick
> <dlennick at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> No, the breakup version of Jingle Bells is a classic. And it's on the MCA
> 2-CD
>>set of Bing and the Andrews Sisters, although it's not listed on the
>>outside!
>>
>>dl
>>
>>
>>On 12/26/2013 2:05 PM, Dave Burnham wrote:
>>> As I've written here before,? there's a similar situation with
>>> "Frosty";? the version on the complete Gene Autry CD is slightly
>>> different than the 78 we all know so well. The differences are barely
>>> noticeable but they're enough to prove that this is a different take. I
>>> also heard, coming from store speakers yesterday, the famous Bing
>>> Crosby/Andrews sisters "Jingle Bells" which had a different ending. I've
>>> never heard one of these alternate versions sound better than - or even
>>> as good as the original version.
>>>
>>> db
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Dec 26, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Guyotsmith at aol.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> One"Rudolph" was recorded for Columbia in 1949, and the second was
>>>> recorded
>>>> for Challenge - Gene's own label - in 1957. The latter appeared on the
>>>> Pickwick? labels in the '60s and '70s.? Belated Merry Christmas.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 12/26/2013 9:01:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>> rjh334578 at yahoo.com writes:
>>>>
>>>> Yesterday I was subjected to a non-stop barrage of holiday songs? from
>>>> commercial radio, Pandora and Roku. I heard two distinct? versions of
>>>> Autry's Rudolph, one somewhat faster than the? other.? Could these be
>>>> alternates from the same session or did? he remake it?
>>>>
>>>> Same question RE: Dean Martin's Baby it's Cold Outside.? We heard two
>>>> versions of thaat, too; one with a single female doing? the girl part,
>>>> another with a female chorus. Alternates or? remake?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPod - which explainz any bad? typjng
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 22:14:10 -0500
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Autry's Rudolph
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP86938CC7C3F562E3481DE4BDCD0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed
>
> No, I'm talking about a Crosby-Andrews Sisters 2 CD set.
> http://www.amazon.com/Their-Complete-Recordings-Together-Crosby/dp/B000002P37
> The breakup Jingle Bells is on this. It's listed here but as I recall,
> it's not
> noted on the back cover.
>
> dl
>
> On 12/26/2013 10:09 PM, DAVID BURNHAM wrote:
>> I don't know which 2-CD set you're talking about but if it's the one that
>> claims to have all of the Crosby Christmas recordings, (including 4
>> Silent Nights, 2 or 3 Adeste Fidelis and a number of White Christmases),
>> the Jingle Bells on that set is the same 1943 recording that was on the
>> common 10 inch 78.
>>
>> db
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 26, 2013 5:08:02 PM, David
>> Lennick<dlennick at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>> No, the breakup version of Jingle Bells is a classic. And it's on the MCA
>> 2-CD
>>> set of Bing and the Andrews Sisters, although it's not listed on the
>>> outside!
>>>
>>> dl
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/26/2013 2:05 PM, Dave Burnham wrote:
>>>> As I've written here before, there's a similar situation with
>>>> "Frosty"; the version on the complete Gene Autry CD is slightly
>>>> different than the 78 we all know so well. The differences are barely
>>>> noticeable but they're enough to prove that this is a different take. I
>>>> also heard, coming from store speakers yesterday, the famous Bing
>>>> Crosby/Andrews sisters "Jingle Bells" which had a different ending.
>>>> I've never heard one of these alternate versions sound better than - or
>>>> even as good as the original version.
>>>>
>>>> db
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 26, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Guyotsmith at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> One"Rudolph" was recorded for Columbia in 1949, and the second was
>>>>> recorded
>>>>> for Challenge - Gene's own label - in 1957. The latter appeared on the
>>>>> Pickwick labels in the '60s and '70s. Belated Merry Christmas.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In a message dated 12/26/2013 9:01:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>> rjh334578 at yahoo.com writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yesterday I was subjected to a non-stop barrage of holiday songs from
>>>>> commercial radio, Pandora and Roku. I heard two distinct versions of
>>>>> Autry's Rudolph, one somewhat faster than the other. Could these be
>>>>> alternates from the same session or did he remake it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Same question RE: Dean Martin's Baby it's Cold Outside. We heard two
>>>>> versions of thaat, too; one with a single female doing the girl part,
>>>>> another with a female chorus. Alternates or remake?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPod - which explainz any bad typjng
>>>>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 14:34:23 +1100
> From: "Jamie Kelly" <otrjamie at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] 12" Edison Sample Records
> To: "'78-L Mail List'" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
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> H
> If your interested in selling 1 or 2 of these for a good price let me
> know:
> otrjamie at gmail.com
>
> Jamie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Clifford Bolling
> Sent: Friday, 27 December 2013 1:47 PM
> To: 78-l Online
> Subject: [78-L] 12" Edison Sample Records
>
> Just brought home an Edison C250 today that had 3-12" sample records
> inside,
> Nos. 9, 10, & 11.? I've heard about them but these are the first I've
> seen.??Seems there isn't a lot of info floating around about these.? Are
> they scarce/rare?? How high does the series go?? Beyond 11?? How
> frequently
> were they issued?? Stuff like that.
>
> The 2 drawers were full of Diamond Discs and more than half had their
> original sleeves with stickers describing the artists and songs, all with
> the embossed labels.? I think this bunch of records is original to the
> machine.? Very cool!
>
> There were also?a few?of the 57000 series (german).?
>
> Any info would be appreciated.? Thanks!? CDB?
> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 20:20:49 -0800 (PST)
> From: Randy Watts <rew1014 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Autry's Rudolph
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
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>
> The Challenge recording was the one I grew up with and is still the Autry
> "Rudolph" that sounds 'right' to me, even though I know it's not the
> original.
> ?
> A friend of mine complains that Autry's Columbia "Rudolph" never sounds
> right to him these days because for years he heard it with a ton of reverb
> on it, and no longer does.
> ?
> Randy
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "Guyotsmith at aol.com" <Guyotsmith at aol.com>
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 9:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Autry's Rudolph
>
>
> One"Rudolph" was recorded for Columbia in 1949, and the second was
> recorded
> for Challenge - Gene's own label - in 1957. The latter appeared on the
> Pickwick? labels in the '60s and '70s.? Belated Merry Christmas.
>
>
> In a message dated 12/26/2013 9:01:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,?
> rjh334578 at yahoo.com writes:
>
> Yesterday I was subjected to a non-stop barrage of holiday songs? from?
> commercial radio, Pandora and Roku. I heard two distinct? versions of?
> Autry's Rudolph, one somewhat faster than the? other.? Could these be?
> alternates from the same session or did? he remake it?
>
> Same question RE: Dean Martin's Baby it's Cold Outside.? We heard two?
> versions of thaat, too; one with a single female doing? the girl part,?
> another with a female chorus. Alternates or? remake?
>
> Sent from my iPod - which explainz any bad? typjng
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 10:01:12 -0000
> From: "John Wright" <vintage at jabw.demon.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Sound forge or adobie sound booth question
> To: <78-L at 78online.com>
> Message-ID: <002401cf02ea$930b5530$b921ff90$@jabw.demon.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Ron, the free software Audacity can be used to increase/decrease speed of
> mp3 or wav files, without changing pitch.
>
> John
>
> --
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 14:42:06 +0000 (UTC)
> From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [78-L] 12" Edison Sample Records
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID:
> <1568990466.7405375.1388155326469.JavaMail.root at comcast.net>
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>
> Yes extremely rare. I have only seen photos of them, have never held one
> in my hands or come across one anywhere. Nice Find.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Ron L'Herault" <lherault at verizon.net>
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 10:05:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [78-L] 12" Edison Sample Records
>
> I'm pretty sure they are super rare. Nice find!!!
>
> Ron L
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Clifford Bolling
> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 9:47 PM
> To: 78-l Online
> Subject: [78-L] 12" Edison Sample Records
>
> Just brought home an Edison C250 today that had 3-12" sample records
> inside,
> Nos. 9, 10, & 11. I've heard about them but these are the first I've
> seen. Seems there isn't a lot of info floating around about these. Are
> they scarce/rare? How high does the series go? Beyond 11? How frequently
> were they issued? Stuff like that.
>
> The 2 drawers were full of Diamond Discs and more than half had their
> original sleeves with stickers describing the artists and songs, all with
> the embossed labels. I think this bunch of records is original to the
> machine. Very cool!
>
> There were also a few of the 57000 series (german).
>
> Any info would be appreciated. Thanks! CDB
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> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 10:07:27 -0500
> From: "Ron L'Herault" <lherault at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Sound forge or adobie sound booth question
> To: "'78-L Mail List'" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <000c01cf0315$5bea1de0$13be59a0$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> It worked! Thanks, Doug.
>
> Ron
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Doug Caldwell
> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 5:56 PM
> To: '78-L Mail List'
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Sound forge or adobie sound booth question
>
> I can offer some suggestions IF Sound Forge 10 works the same as SF 8,
> which
> I use. Under the Effects menu you?ll find ?Pitch,? hover on that & you?ll
> see ?Bend? or ?Shift? --- select Shift; set semi-tone slider to 12 (the
> duration of the file will be cut in ? and the pitch will go up an octave)
> SF
> recommends setting Accuracy to ?High? and checking the Anti-Alias box.
>
> In case SF 10 no longer offers pitch shift as an effect, for some reason
> it
> is also accessible as a plug-in. So you can go to the View menu, go to
> Plug-In Manager, find Pitch Shift and drag it onto the screen (not the
> boarders, but where the wave file is displayed)
>
> dc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault
> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 10:43 AM
> To: '78-L Mail List'
> Subject: [78-L] Sound forge or adobie sound booth question
>
> I've just digitized a file from a tape running at 7.5 ips that really
> should
> be going 15 ips. Although I've 'sped up' 78s to equal 80 rpm, I don't
> seem
> to be able to get the tape file to double its speed. I'd appreciate a
> tutorial (privately to lherault at verizon dot net is fine) for either
> sound
> forge pro 10 or adobe sound booth CS3 so that I can get it right. I've
> got
> a pile of 10.5" reels that go at 15 but the only player I have that does
> that speed will only accommodate 7" reels.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron L
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 16:58:15 +0100
> From: S P <berlin40 at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] 12" Edison Sample Records
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <DUB125-W248AB9A736CAD892E3DD80DFCD0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
>
>
> Edison Sample Records in good condition sell for between $300 and $400 on
> ebay. The series goes to No. 13 as far as I know.
>
> Stephan
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
>> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Clifford
>> Bolling
>> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 9:47 PM
>> To: 78-l Online
>> Subject: [78-L] 12" Edison Sample Records
>>
>> Just brought home an Edison C250 today that had 3-12" sample records
>> inside,
>> Nos. 9, 10, & 11. I've heard about them but these are the first I've
>> seen. Seems there isn't a lot of info floating around about these. Are
>> they scarce/rare? How high does the series go? Beyond 11? How frequently
>> were they issued? Stuff like that.
>>
>> The 2 drawers were full of Diamond Discs and more than half had their
>> original sleeves with stickers describing the artists and songs, all with
>> the embossed labels. I think this bunch of records is original to the
>> machine. Very cool!
>>
>> There were also a few of the 57000 series (german).
>>
>> Any info would be appreciated. Thanks! CDB
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 11:30:08 -0500
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] 12" Edison Sample Records
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
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>
> I had two of them, including a Long Play. Both went to Kurt a couple of
> decades
> ago and I'm sure I ate well.
>
> dl
>
> On 12/27/2013 10:58 AM, S P wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Edison Sample Records in good condition sell for between $300 and $400 on
>> ebay. The series goes to No. 13 as far as I know.
>>
>> Stephan
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
>>> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Clifford
>>> Bolling
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 9:47 PM
>>> To: 78-l Online
>>> Subject: [78-L] 12" Edison Sample Records
>>>
>>> Just brought home an Edison C250 today that had 3-12" sample records
>>> inside,
>>> Nos. 9, 10,& 11. I've heard about them but these are the first I've
>>> seen. Seems there isn't a lot of info floating around about these. Are
>>> they scarce/rare? How high does the series go? Beyond 11? How frequently
>>> were they issued? Stuff like that.
>>>
>>> The 2 drawers were full of Diamond Discs and more than half had their
>>> original sleeves with stickers describing the artists and songs, all
>>> with
>>> the embossed labels. I think this bunch of records is original to the
>>> machine. Very cool!
>>>
>>> There were also a few of the 57000 series (german).
>>>
>>> Any info would be appreciated. Thanks! CDB
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 13:19:05 -0500
> From: "Joe Scott" <joenscott at mail.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Electric guitar before 1939
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <20131227181906.229370 at gmx.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Thirties periodicals tend to identify the electric guitar with radio and
> with dance bands a lot. A 1938 article called radio performer Andy
> Sannella "one of the best of the electric guitar performers." Sammy Kaye's
> recording "When Twilight Comes" from 1938 reportedly has an electric
> guitar solo by Lloyd Gillion. This all ties in with how radio listener
> T-Bone Walker could have had his first encounter with electric guitar on a
> Fred Waring show.
> Len Fillis recorded "Mood Ruby" unaccompanied on an electric Spanish
> (i.e., "regular") guitar on 4/17/36.
>
> The publication Mills Hawaiian And Electric Guitar Method was copyrighted
> on 1/15/38.
>
> Joseph Scott
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 10:37:33 -0800
> From: Cary Ginell <soundthink at live.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Electric guitar before 1939
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I recently acquired Decca 332 by Eddie Bush & His Biltmore Trio ("Object
> of My Affection"/Talkin' to Myself") which features electric guitar,
> played Hawaiian style. It was recorded November 1, 1934, which is nearly
> three months before Bob Dunn's initial recordings with Milton Brown
> (1/28/35). Hawaiian recordings were the first to feature electric guitar.
> If I'm not mistaken, the earliest were by the Noelani Hawaiian Orchestra,
> recorded for Victor on 9/14/33, but a nagging voice in my head tells me
> someone did it even earlier than that.
>
> Cary Ginell
>
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2013, at 10:19 AM, Joe Scott <joenscott at mail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thirties periodicals tend to identify the electric guitar with radio and
>> with dance bands a lot. A 1938 article called radio performer Andy
>> Sannella "one of the best of the electric guitar performers." Sammy
>> Kaye's recording "When Twilight Comes" from 1938 reportedly has an
>> electric guitar solo by Lloyd Gillion. This all ties in with how radio
>> listener T-Bone Walker could have had his first encounter with electric
>> guitar on a Fred Waring show.
>> Len Fillis recorded "Mood Ruby" unaccompanied on an electric Spanish
>> (i.e., "regular") guitar on 4/17/36.
>>
>> The publication Mills Hawaiian And Electric Guitar Method was copyrighted
>> on 1/15/38.
>>
>> Joseph Scott
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>
> Message: 18
> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 09:25:50 -1000
> From: Malcolm Rockwell <malcolm at 78data.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Electric guitar before 1939
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <52BDD43E.2090100 at 78data.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> The first electric guitar recording was "Dreams Of Aloha," Vi V-92, by
> Noi Lane Hawaiian Orch. (sic), rec. NYC 02/22/34.
>
> The steel player is unknown.
> I know of none earlier.
> As to Eddie Bush, et al, his first recording featuring electric steel
> guitar was actually recorded 9 months earlier than the example you give
> on Feb. 8, 1934. It was Victor 24602-B, "My Little Grass Shack in
> Kealakekua, Hawaii". The flip was recorded Feb. 13,1934. It was Victor
> 24602-A, "Song Of The Islands". Oddly enough the -A side has a lower
> matrix number than the -B side, even though recorded later. They were
> recorded in two different studios, thus the discrepancy.
> Malcolm
>
> *******
>
> On 12/27/2013 8:37 AM, Cary Ginell wrote:
>> I recently acquired Decca 332 by Eddie Bush & His Biltmore Trio ("Object
>> of My Affection"/Talkin' to Myself") which features electric guitar,
>> played Hawaiian style. It was recorded November 1, 1934, which is nearly
>> three months before Bob Dunn's initial recordings with Milton Brown
>> (1/28/35). Hawaiian recordings were the first to feature electric guitar.
>> If I'm not mistaken, the earliest were by the Noelani Hawaiian Orchestra,
>> recorded for Victor on 9/14/33, but a nagging voice in my head tells me
>> someone did it even earlier than that.
>>
>> Cary Ginell
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 27, 2013, at 10:19 AM, Joe Scott <joenscott at mail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thirties periodicals tend to identify the electric guitar with radio and
>>> with dance bands a lot. A 1938 article called radio performer Andy
>>> Sannella "one of the best of the electric guitar performers." Sammy
>>> Kaye's recording "When Twilight Comes" from 1938 reportedly has an
>>> electric guitar solo by Lloyd Gillion. This all ties in with how radio
>>> listener T-Bone Walker could have had his first encounter with electric
>>> guitar on a Fred Waring show.
>>> Len Fillis recorded "Mood Ruby" unaccompanied on an electric Spanish
>>> (i.e., "regular") guitar on 4/17/36.
>>>
>>> The publication Mills Hawaiian And Electric Guitar Method was
>>> copyrighted on 1/15/38.
>>>
>>> Joseph Scott
>>>
>
>
>
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