[78-L] 78-L Digest, Vol 58, Issue 31
Brass Balls Pawn®
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Sun Jul 21 12:31:09 PDT 2013
Mal
LOL--Them THREE Eyes--NOT Them THERE Eyes. I'd hate to see what that
three-eyed monster looked like!
Just made me laugh.
However, it is a beautiful recording.
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> 1. e-bay (DAVID BURNHAM)
> 2. Scriabin (DAVID BURNHAM)
> 3. Re: Scriabin (David Lennick)
> 4. Re: Scriabin (DAVID BURNHAM)
> 5. Re: Scriabin (David Lennick)
> 6. Re: e-bay (neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com)
> 7. Re: e-bay (David Lennick)
> 8. Re: e-bay (DAVID BURNHAM)
> 9. Re: e-bay (David Lennick)
> 10. Re: e-bay (Don Cox)
> 11. Re: e-bay (neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com)
> 12. Sig 40001A (Malcolm Rockwell)
> 13. Re: Sig 40001A (Jeff Lichtman)
> 14. Re: Sig 40001A (David Lennick)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 19:45:07 -0700 (PDT)
> From: DAVID BURNHAM <burnhamd at rogers.com>
> Subject: [78-L] e-bay
> To: "78-L at 78online.com" <78-L at 78online.com>
> Message-ID:
> <1374374707.15339.YahooMailNeo at web121304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> I haven't bid on anything on e-bay for years, (at least 3 years), but
> today I saw an item that I'd never seen before - Percy Grainger plays Bach
> Transcriptions. ?So I bid on it rather generously. ?Since I'd been away
> from e-bay for so long, I had forgotten about e-snipe or whatever it's
> called but, of course, I got a swift reminder when I was outbid 3 seconds
> before the end of bidding. ?Well I probably didn't need it anyway.
>
> db
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 19:53:55 -0700 (PDT)
> From: DAVID BURNHAM <burnhamd at rogers.com>
> Subject: [78-L] Scriabin
> To: "78-L at 78online.com" <78-L at 78online.com>
> Message-ID:
> <1374375235.2719.YahooMailNeo at web121301.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> I wondered on the list a few days ago if the Scriabin "Poem of Ecstacy"
> and "Poem of Fire" may have been recorded from a continuous performance.
> ?I've been reading the book "Recording the Thirties" and have just read
> that that was indeed the case. ?Dave Lennick, of course, guessed accurately
> that it was recorded for the RCA 33 1/3 rpm Transcription recordings in
> 1932. ?Now I'm curious to know if it was recorded concurrently with the
> Transcription or dubbed from the Transcription, (the sound isn't the
> greatest even for 1932). ?David Hall, who couldn't get his head around
> Scriabin anyway, also commented about the poor sound.
>
> db
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 23:18:29 -0400
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Scriabin
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP5038519596EC19DB96FBC9BD6D0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed
>
> Any chance that it was recorded on film? Some Stokowski performances were
> done
> that way and dubbed to disc. I believe "The Raven" was one.
>
> Some performances had to have been recorded simultaneously on 78 and 33
> masters. Paul Whiteman's "Grand Canyon Suite" pauses midway in two of the
> movements exactly where the 78 sides end and the 78 pickup sides have long
> lead-ins.
>
> Sounds like an interesting book:
> http://www.mainspringpress.com/book_rec30.html
>
> dl
>
> On 7/20/2013 10:53 PM, DAVID BURNHAM wrote:
> > I wondered on the list a few days ago if the Scriabin "Poem of Ecstacy"
> and "Poem of Fire" may have been recorded from a continuous performance.
> I've been reading the book "Recording the Thirties" and have just read
> that that was indeed the case. Dave Lennick, of course, guessed accurately
> that it was recorded for the RCA 33 1/3 rpm Transcription recordings in
> 1932. Now I'm curious to know if it was recorded concurrently with the
> Transcription or dubbed from the Transcription, (the sound isn't the
> greatest even for 1932). David Hall, who couldn't get his head around
> Scriabin anyway, also commented about the poor sound.
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 20:24:10 -0700 (PDT)
> From: DAVID BURNHAM <burnhamd at rogers.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Scriabin
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID:
> <1374377050.71287.YahooMailNeo at web121303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> I think it was quite common for RCA to package 78 album sets onto those
> Transcriptions, one that comes to mind is Pable Casal's recording of
> Beethoven's 4th Symphony. ?I thought that the special significance of
> Stokowski's Beethoven 5th was that it was recorded especially for the LP
> and was one of the few recorded in that fashion.
>
> db
>
>
>
> >________________________________
> > From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> >To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 11:18:29 PM
> >Subject: Re: [78-L] Scriabin
> >
> >
> >Any chance that it was recorded on film? Some Stokowski performances were
> done
> >that way and dubbed to disc. I believe "The Raven" was one.
> >
> >Some performances had to have been recorded simultaneously on 78 and 33
> >masters. Paul Whiteman's "Grand Canyon Suite" pauses midway in two of the
> >movements exactly where the 78 sides end and the 78 pickup sides have long
> >lead-ins.
> >
> >Sounds like an interesting book:
> >http://www.mainspringpress.com/book_rec30.html
> >
> >dl
> >
> >On 7/20/2013 10:53 PM, DAVID BURNHAM wrote:
> >> I wondered on the list a few days ago if the Scriabin "Poem of Ecstacy"
> and "Poem of Fire" may have been recorded from a continuous performance.?
> I've been reading the book "Recording the Thirties" and have just read that
> that was indeed the case.? Dave Lennick, of course, guessed accurately that
> it was recorded for the RCA 33 1/3 rpm Transcription recordings in 1932.?
> Now I'm curious to know if it was recorded concurrently with the
> Transcription or dubbed from the Transcription, (the sound isn't the
> greatest even for 1932).? David Hall, who couldn't get his head around
> Scriabin anyway, also commented about the poor sound.
> >>
> >_______________________________________________
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> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 23:37:10 -0400
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Scriabin
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP616AC224D50606303AAADBBD6D0 at phx.gbl>
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>
> As far as I know, it was the only symphony recording to have been done at
> 33
> and not at 78. And it's one of the worst sounding ones...15 minutes a
> side, too
> squeezed for a twelve inch disc. Victor also recorded some Gilbert and
> Sullivan
> productions with a Chicago (I think) group that had no 78 equivalents.
>
> Let's see if I can find the ARSC issues (online) with the 33rpm matrices
> for
> this period:
>
> http://www.arsc-audio.org/journals/v13/v13n1p20-42.pdf
> http://www.arsc-audio.org/journals/v14/v14n3p41-61.pdf
> http://www.arsc-audio.org/journals/v15/v15n1p25-68.pdf
>
> You'll have to turn your head sideways to read them (okay, you can also
> print
> them out). The Scriabin recordings are right at the beginning of the second
> article. Note that the matrix numbers skip 2 each time, indicating that
> there
> are 2 78 sides and 1 lp side for each grouping. I'd say they were recorded
> simultaneously.
>
> dl
>
> On 7/20/2013 11:24 PM, DAVID BURNHAM wrote:
> > I think it was quite common for RCA to package 78 album sets onto those
> Transcriptions, one that comes to mind is Pable Casal's recording of
> Beethoven's 4th Symphony. I thought that the special significance of
> Stokowski's Beethoven 5th was that it was recorded especially for the LP
> and was one of the few recorded in that fashion.
> >
> > db
> >
> >
> >
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: David Lennick<dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> >> To: 78-L Mail List<78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 11:18:29 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [78-L] Scriabin
> >>
> >>
> >> Any chance that it was recorded on film? Some Stokowski performances
> were done
> >> that way and dubbed to disc. I believe "The Raven" was one.
> >>
> >> Some performances had to have been recorded simultaneously on 78 and 33
> >> masters. Paul Whiteman's "Grand Canyon Suite" pauses midway in two of
> the
> >> movements exactly where the 78 sides end and the 78 pickup sides have
> long
> >> lead-ins.
> >>
> >> Sounds like an interesting book:
> >> http://www.mainspringpress.com/book_rec30.html
> >>
> >> dl
> >>
> >> On 7/20/2013 10:53 PM, DAVID BURNHAM wrote:
> >>> I wondered on the list a few days ago if the Scriabin "Poem of
> Ecstacy" and "Poem of Fire" may have been recorded from a continuous
> performance. I've been reading the book "Recording the Thirties" and have
> just read that that was indeed the case. Dave Lennick, of course, guessed
> accurately that it was recorded for the RCA 33 1/3 rpm Transcription
> recordings in 1932. Now I'm curious to know if it was recorded
> concurrently with the Transcription or dubbed from the Transcription, (the
> sound isn't the greatest even for 1932). David Hall, who couldn't get his
> head around Scriabin anyway, also commented about the poor sound.
> >>>
> >> _______________________________
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 23:06:51 -0500
> From: "neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com" <neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] e-bay
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <51EB5E5B.90708 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> What label was it on? If it was piano rolls you dodged a bullet IMO.
> \
> If not, it will come up again.
>
> joe salerno
>
> On 7/20/2013 9:45 PM, DAVID BURNHAM wrote:
> > I haven't bid on anything on e-bay for years, (at least 3 years), but
> today I saw an item that I'd never seen before - Percy Grainger plays Bach
> Transcriptions. So I bid on it rather generously. Since I'd been away
> from e-bay for so long, I had forgotten about e-snipe or whatever it's
> called but, of course, I got a swift reminder when I was outbid 3 seconds
> before the end of bidding. Well I probably didn't need it anyway.
> >
> > db
> > _______________________________________________
> > 78-L mailing list
> > 78-L at klickitat.78online.com
> > http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l
> >
>
> --
> Joe Salerno
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 00:34:33 -0400
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] e-bay
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP1492CF1FE8F566C489E044BD6D0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed
>
> It's a Columbia set. Didn't Ward Marston do a lot of Grainger transfers
> years ago?
>
> dl
>
> On 7/21/2013 12:06 AM, neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com wrote:
> > What label was it on? If it was piano rolls you dodged a bullet IMO.
> > \
> > If not, it will come up again.
> >
> > joe salerno
> >
> > On 7/20/2013 9:45 PM, DAVID BURNHAM wrote:
> >> I haven't bid on anything on e-bay for years, (at least 3 years), but
> today I saw an item that I'd never seen before - Percy Grainger plays Bach
> Transcriptions. So I bid on it rather generously. Since I'd been away
> from e-bay for so long, I had forgotten about e-snipe or whatever it's
> called but, of course, I got a swift reminder when I was outbid 3 seconds
> before the end of bidding. Well I probably didn't need it anyway.
> >>
> >> db
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 21:35:15 -0700 (PDT)
> From: DAVID BURNHAM <burnhamd at rogers.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] e-bay
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID:
> <1374381315.20141.YahooMailNeo at web121303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> It was on Columbia Viva~Tonal discs.
>
> db
>
>
>
>
> >________________________________
> > From: "neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com" <neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com>
> >To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> >Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 12:06:51 AM
> >Subject: Re: [78-L] e-bay
> >
> >
> >What label was it on? If it was piano rolls you dodged a bullet IMO.
> >\
> >If not, it will come up again.
> >
> >joe salerno
> >
> >On 7/20/2013 9:45 PM, DAVID BURNHAM wrote:
> >> I haven't bid on anything on e-bay for years, (at least 3 years), but
> today I saw an item that I'd never seen before - Percy Grainger plays Bach
> Transcriptions.? So I bid on it rather generously.? Since I'd been away
> from e-bay for so long, I had forgotten about e-snipe or whatever it's
> called but, of course, I got a swift reminder when I was outbid 3 seconds
> before the end of bidding.? Well I probably didn't need it anyway.
> >>
> >> db
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> 78-L mailing list
> >> 78-L at klickitat.78online.com
> >> http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l
> >>
> >
> >--
> >Joe Salerno
> >_______________________________________________
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> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 00:37:32 -0400
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] e-bay
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP69F0F5F2E1D03958B7D4ABBD6D0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed
>
> "Blithe Bells" (Sheep May Safely Graze) is the only arrangement that
> sticks in
> my memory at this point...I transferred a set of the discs sometime in the
> 70s
> and haven't heard them since.
>
> dl
>
> On 7/21/2013 12:35 AM, DAVID BURNHAM wrote:
> > It was on Columbia Viva~Tonal discs.
> >
> > db
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: "neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com"<neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com>
> >> To: 78-L Mail List<78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 12:06:51 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [78-L] e-bay
> >>
> >>
> >> What label was it on? If it was piano rolls you dodged a bullet IMO.
> >> \
> >> If not, it will come up again.
> >>
> >> joe salerno
> >>
> >> On 7/20/2013 9:45 PM, DAVID BURNHAM wrote:
> >>> I haven't bid on anything on e-bay for years, (at least 3 years), but
> today I saw an item that I'd never seen before - Percy Grainger plays Bach
> Transcriptions. So I bid on it rather generously. Since I'd been away
> from e-bay for so long, I had forgotten about e-snipe or whatever it's
> called but, of course, I got a swift reminder when I was outbid 3 seconds
> before the end of bidding. Well I probably didn't need it anyway.
> >>>
> >>> db
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> 78-L mailing list
> >>> 78-L at klickitat.78online.com
> >>> http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Joe Salerno
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 03:49:50 +0000
> From: Don Cox <doncox at enterprise.net>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] e-bay
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Message-ID: <yam12985.2545.77769096 at smtp.ntlworld.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> On 21/07/2013, neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com wrote:
>
> > What label was it on? If it was piano rolls you dodged a bullet IMO.
> > \
> > If not, it will come up again.
> >
> There are five 78 sides of Bach transcriptions, recorded in 1931, in Ward
> Marston's complete set of Grainger's recordings. (A 5-CD box from APR.)
>
> They are all Columbia.
>
> (One is a "ramble" rather than a transcription.)
>
> Regards
> --
> Don Cox
> doncox at enterprise.net
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 07:05:57 -0500
> From: "neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com" <neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] e-bay
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <51EBCEA5.7080708 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Thanks for this tip, Don. I had lost track of APR and in looking at the
> web site I see much worth investigating.
>
> Many titles are available for downloading, including the Grainger, which
> means lower cost and no shipping charges from across the pond. That will
> pay for a number of discs in itself.
>
> joe salerno
>
>
> On 7/20/2013 10:49 PM, Don Cox wrote:
>
> > There are five 78 sides of Bach transcriptions, recorded in 1931, in Ward
> > Marston's complete set of Grainger's recordings. (A 5-CD box from APR.)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 08:11:00 -1000
> From: Malcolm Rockwell <malcolm at 78data.com>
> Subject: [78-L] Sig 40001A
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <51EC2434.7040800 at 78data.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Here's my favorite eBay listing for the day.
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/THEM-THREE-EYES-PENTHOUSE-SERENADE-Eddie-Heywood-78-RPM-12-/231016396509?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item35c9a676dd
> Mal
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 11:18:57 -0700
> From: Jeff Lichtman <jeff at swazoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Sig 40001A
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20130721111807.03deae30 at pop.powweb.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> It's a rare Martian record.
>
> >Here's my favorite eBay listing for the day.
> >
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/THEM-THREE-EYES-PENTHOUSE-SERENADE-Eddie-Heywood-78-RPM-12-/231016396509?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item35c9a676dd
> >Mal
>
> - Jeff Lichtman
> jeff at swazoo.com
> Check out Swazoo Koolak Photography
> at http://swazoo.com/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 14:58:47 -0400
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Sig 40001A
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP14570E3719B0EB50D9ACECBD6D0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed
>
> And not a very good visual inspection at that! Not to mention the orchestra
> made up of hos.
>
> dl
>
> On 7/21/2013 2:11 PM, Malcolm Rockwell wrote:
> > Here's my favorite eBay listing for the day.
> >
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/THEM-THREE-EYES-PENTHOUSE-SERENADE-Eddie-Heywood-78-RPM-12-/231016396509?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item35c9a676dd
> > Mal
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
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