[78-L] Churchill's Secret Cabinet

[Michael Biel]

Yes I have been doing research on this subject, and the linked article
about Norman Shelly tells what I also have figured out so far.  Shelly
(not Sterling Holloway!) did do the "We will fight them on the
beaches..." and that one is included in this BBC broadcast.  In fact, it
was the first speech in the set of recordings they play in the Churchill
Underground War Rooms in London.  I made a recording of their exhibit
when I was there in April, and I included it in the comment card I left.
 My faceebook friends know that I finally got the 12-LP Decca/London box
set two weeks ago (thanks to Charlie at Academy Records) and I will
check that set in the next few weeks.  That speech is NOT in the EMI
set, Murrow's compilation on Columbia, and several other Churchill
compilations I have.  It is as if EVERYBODY EXCEPT the Churchill
archives know it is bogus.  


By the way, do you guys know what other characters Norman Shelly has
played?  Nana the Dog and The Crocodile in the Jean Arthur and Mary
Martin versions of Peter Pan, including the tV shows of 55,56, and 60. 


Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com  

  -------- Original Message -------

 > >> ________________________________
 > >> From: David Lennick<dlennick at sympatico.ca>
 > >> To: 78-L Mail List<78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
 > >> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 9:09:34 AM
 > >> Subject: Re: [78-L] Churchill's Secret Cabinet
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> Oddly enough, that's the common link. I can never remember Norman
Shelley's
 > >> name till I look up the Winnie The Pooh recording he made for
Argo. dl
 > >>
 > >> On 7/13/2013 8:59 AM, Jeff Sultanof wrote:
 > >>> Yes, when I saw Sterling Holloway, I was surprised. The voice of
Winnie the
 > >>> Pooh?
 > >>>
 > >>>
 > >>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 8:16 AM, David
Lennick<dlennick at sympatico.ca>wrote:
 > >>>
 > >>>> Er..Sterling (testicles never descended) Holloway? Try Norman
Shelley. dl
 > >>>>
 > >>>>
 > >>>> On 7/13/2013 2:31 AM, Sammy Jones wrote:
 > >>>>> I believe Mike Biel is doing research on this very topic.
 > >>>>>
 > >>>>>> From what I remember, many think some of Churchill's wartime
broadcasts
 > >>>> are
 > >>>>> thought to *possibly* be by Sterling Holloway because the PM
couldn't
 > >>>> make
 > >>>>> it to the studio for the broadcast (no broadcats could
originate from the
 > >>>>> British House of Commons).
 > >>>>>
 > >>>>> Here's an article I just found:
 > >>>>> http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/Observer291000.html
 > >>>>>
 > >>>>> It is important to remember that many of the audio clips from
Churchill's
 > >>>>> famous speeches that are floating around were made long after
the fact by
 > >>>>> Churchill for Decca, which may explain why they sound
differently from
 > >>>>> others recorded during the war.
 > >>>>>
 > >>>>> I have several lacquer recordings of Churchill from BBC
shortwave
 > >>>> broadcats
 > >>>>> made by an American radio station during the war. Now I've got
to dig
 > >>>> them
 > >>>>> out and listen again!
 > >>>>>
 > >>>>> Sammy Jones
 > >>>>>
 > >>>>>
 > >>>>> David Burnham wrote:
 > >>>>>> I just listened to the complete broadcast and it was very
interesting.
 > >>>>>> ?They talk about there being a large number of Harry Lauder
recordings
 > >>>> but
 > >>>>>> every example they played was from the single 12 inch disc,
"Harry
 > >>>> Lauder
 > >>>>>> Medley". ?I wish they had identified the music they were
playing
 > >>>>>> throughout, it sounds like it may be from Vaughan-Williams but
I
 > >>>> couldn't
 > >>>>>> recognize it. ?I have heard that most, if not all, of the
recordings of
 > >>>>>> Winston Churchill's speeches made during the war were in fact
read by an
 > >>>>>> actor and are not Churchill's voice at all. ?The recording
from 1909
 > >>>>>> sounds like a different voice than the recordings from 1941
but there's
 > >>>> no
 > >>>>>> mention of this in the text. ?I do agree that though there
have been
 > >>>> many
 > >>>>>> great orators in the 20th century, he was perhaps the
greatest.
 > >>>>>>
 > >>>>>> db?
 > >>>>>>
 > >>>>>>
 > >>>>>>
 > >>>>>>> ________________________________
 > >>>>>>> From: Sammy Jones<sjones69 at bellsouth.net>
 > >>>>>>> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
 > >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 2:16:55 AM
 > >>>>>>> Subject: [78-L] Churchill's Secret Cabinet
 > >>>>>>>
 > >>>>>>>
 > >>>>>>> Right now on BBC Radio 4's website, a documentary on Winston
 > >>>> Churchill's
 > >>>>>>> record collection - including homemade lacquers of some of
his
 > >>>> speeches.
 > >>>>>>> I've only had time to listen to the first 15 minutes, but it
seems
 > >>>>>>> fascinating.
 > >>>>>>>
 > >>>>>>> Only a few days left to listen:
 > >>>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b036j3r0
 > >>>>>>>
 > >>>>>>> Sammy Jones
 > >>>>>