[78-L] California Ramblers Triangle 11215

[jim brannen]

Found this on TJD-online under Sammy Swift's Jazz Band. Looks a lot like guess work at best.


New York, c. February 1923 
 That red-head gal (1) Black Swan 2113, Olympic 1434, Broadway 11215 
 You said something when you said Dixie (1)           -             -              - 
 'Way down yonder in New Orleans (2)            2117, Majestic 1431 
 You've got to see mama every night           -              - 
Note: Broadway 11215 as by "California Ramblers" and Majestic 1431 as by "St. Louis Syncopators". 


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 From: Malcolm Rockwell <malcolm at 78data.com>
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Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [78-L] California Ramblers Triangle 11215
 

Your "matrix" numbers are actually the release number for Olympic. 
Whenever I see -A/-B designations attached to the same "matrix" number 
pressed in the runouts I immediately suspect they're actually issue 
numbers for another label, not the true matrices.
I did some digging and believe both sides may have come from very early 
recordings by Regal, via Plaza, and the artist on the -A side may be Sam 
Lanin and the -B side by Arthur Fields with a not yet identified backing 
band.
The Olympic, Regal, Plaza, Paramount connections are somewhat murky and 
complicated so I may be wrong with all of this.
I'd ask Allan Sutton at Mainspring Press. He may have a truer sighting 
on this one.
Malcolm

PS - ADB shows this coupling to have been released on Olympic, Black 
Swan, Broadway, Mac-Levin, Melody, Puritan, Paramount and Triangle (with 
the "Red Head" side additionally issued on Claxtonola, Famous, Grey 
Gull, Harmograph and National). Unfortunately Bernard & Shirley show 
1423 A/B as the matrix numbers, too, thus adding to the misinformation. 
However, they do disclaim it in their Note following the entries. M

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On 5/30/2013 5:36 AM, Glenn Longwell wrote:
> I picked up the following record recently.
> Triangle 11215-A  That Red Head Gal by California Ramblers, mx 1423-A            11215-B  You Said Something When You Said Dixie by California Ramblers, mx 1423-B
> I have an older version of Rust's Jazz and Dance Band books and this is not listed.  The online Red Hot Jazz listing also doesn't have it and Ty's listing is missing this catalog number.  With those matrix numbers it might have also been an Olympic release.  It has the same style of matrix numbers as Triangle 11268 (mx's 1439-A and 1439-B) which is the same recordings as Olympic 1439 (Original Indiana Syncopators on Olympic and Manhattan Imperial Orchestra on Triangle).  Or is that a wrong assumption?
> I was hoping for a date of recording and whether anyone also has Olympic 1432 to compare against to see if it's the same recordings and, if so, whether it's listed as California Ramblers there.
> I have also seen that Red Head Gal is also on Paramount 20222-A by California Ramblers with the same matrix number but is paired with Aunt Hagar's Blues by Lanin's Southern Serenaders.  Same on Puritan 11222.
> Thanks,
> Glenn
>
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