[78-L] OT Amazon Goes A-Wooing other agents?

[Michael Biel]

Amazon openly sells "on demand" CD-Rs and DVD-Rs when they are legit
issues, not counterfeits like this one was.  For example, Mickey Clark
has a whole series like the one discussed a few weeks ago:
http://www.amazon.com/Brunswick-Medleys-Recorded-1926-CD319/dp/B00AFLSXNA/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1359592325&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=brunswick+cdBrunswick+Medleys+Recorded+1926+-+1933+CD319


Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com  

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [78-L] OT Amazon Goes A-Wooing other agents?
From: Roger Wade <rwade1947 at comcast.net>
Date: Wed, January 30, 2013 6:36 pm
To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>

At least in my experience selling CDs on Amazon they are targeting CD-R
copies that some "sellers" try to pass off as legit CDs. They also have
to have all of the original artwork, booklets, etc. that come with the
original. Warren had noted that the artwork had been reproduced and
incompletely at that. Also if the CD is described as in shrinkwrap it
means the original shrinkwrap, not something the seller has done.

RW

On Jan 30, 2013, at 5:03 PM, David Lennick wrote:

> Those conditions would eliminate every reissue from a PD country. And Classic 
> blatantly stole from other producers' CDs.
> 
> dl
> 
> On 1/30/2013 4:59 PM, Roger Wade wrote:
>> Hi Warren,
>> 
>> This link explains how and when to file an A-Z claim on Amazon:
>> 
>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=help_search_1-3?ie=UTF8&nodeId=200783750&qid=1359582538&sr=1-3
>> 
>> And this one explains why CDR's are generally unacceptable on their site:
>> 
>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=help_search_1-4?ie=UTF8&nodeId=200143590&qid=1359582538&sr=1-4
>> 
>> Under the condition guidelines for music (CDs) this is the definition for Unacceptable:
>> 
>> Unacceptable: Music that is in any way unplayable or recorded over is not acceptable, nor are recordings not manufactured by the copyright holder, including recopied media in any form. Additionally, promotional media is prohibited. CD's with surface scratches may be listed as Good or Acceptable, subject to the above guidelines, as long as the quality of the playback is not affected.
>> 
>> This is obviously falls under "...recordings not manufactured by the copyright holder, including recopied media in any form."
>> 
>> Under no circumstances can your CD be described on Amazon as Like New.
>> 
>> I hope this is helpful to you.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Roger Wade
>> Really Old Records
>> 
>> On Jan 30, 2013, at 4:41 PM, warren moorman wrote:
>> 
>>> Julian:
>>> 
>>> Last week I bought the Blanche Calloway cd on Chronological Classics from a source on Amazon-I thought.
>>> 
>>> It was listed as used-like new, and described as still in the shrink wrap, despite being OP for many years. That made me wonder, but I thought perhaps they'd uncovered some left over dealer stock somewhere. The price was in the mid-twenties, just about what they've sold for on B-Aye (most of these CC issues sell above their initial list, with some having absurd asking prices). I was tired of waiting for a copy at auction that would be winnable at a reasonable amount, so despite the dear price I ordered it. When it came it was shrink wrapped (loosely), but the cover looked suspiciously pixilated, and upon opening I saw that it was clearly a bootleg, with a scanned tray card, and the cd was obviously a burned copy. The certain give away was that the booklet that accompanied CC releases was missing; they'd just copied the front cover for the cd front.
>>> 
>>> The kicker was that when I went back and looked, they were still listing a copy for sale, used-like new, shrink wrapped. But the price was almost three dollars less than I'd paid. Then the next day, same thing, except the price then was a dollar and a half less than mine! So they've clearly been dealing with "other agents" of some sort.
>>> 
>>> I'm still working to resolve this. The seller was "marvelio" from Pennsylvania.
>>> 
>>> Warren
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm just wondering if these suppliers actually have their
>>> catalogue in stock, or if they order stuff from yet other agents?
>>> 
>>>> Julian Vein
>>>