[78-L] 1920s Ukrainian Klezmer!

[David Lennick]

Note for note. And about half the tempo we'd expect..plus it's not a Yiddish 
song, unlike other late 30s adaptations. I was asking the wrong experts.

Here's the thing..this is a potpourri (medley, to you). Does anyone know the 
name of the first song? Spottswood doesn't give any info that isn't on the 
label, and just to confuse matters further he lists it in the Russian section 
while noting that it's sung in Ukrainian. Recorded December 1923.

Pirogy, anyone?

dl

On 10/18/2012 2:33 PM, Michael Biel wrote:
> Just listen to it!  Now we need a Ukranian to translate the lyrics and
> the title.
>
> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbielcom
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [78-L] 1920s Ukrainian Klezmer!
> From: David Lennick<dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Date: Thu, October 18, 2012 2:07 pm
> To: 78-L Mail List<78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>
> I have been trying to find proof for decades that Yes My Darling
> Daughter was
> an old tune before Jack Lawrence wrote it. Is this the case?
>
> dl
>
> On 10/18/2012 1:18 PM, Michael Biel wrote:
>> Because the Soviet Union was established by 1918, I don't think that
>> these recordings from the 1920s are pre-Soviet. To me these are fairly
>> standard folk and popular recordings aimed at the regular Ukrainian
>> emigrants, largely CHRISTIAN. Since "Klezmer" is a term which was
>> coined in the 1970s to define JEWISH music -- which was more often
>> called "Freilech" in earlier years -- I don't think these records can
>> be called Klezmer.
>>
>> Klezmer had originally referred to the musicians, but because freilech
>> means joyous or happy, the revivalists of this Jewish music wanted a
>> single term that would include sad and sentimental music. So the word
>> describing the musicians now describes all of their music and Freilech
>> is now a category of Klezmer. But Ukrainian folk music is Ukrainian folk
>> music -- let them find their own term.
>>
>> that being said, there is a bit of cross-fertilization among the
>> different ethnic groups and countries. Just as standard American pop
>> songs can be heard in blues, jazz, "hillbilly", and vice-versa, the
>> second side you included, "Oj, ne chody Hryclu" becomes the Yiddish song
>> "Yuh, Mein Liebe Tochter" "Yes My Darling Daughter."
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbMB-YKxgTY&playnext=1&list=PL6B143C495E2C29FA&feature=results_video
>> (I don't think you can consider this Barry Sisters recording Klezmer!
>> It really is Yiddish Swing!)
>>
>>
>> Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>>
>> From: Clifford Bolling<78records at cdbpdx.com>
>>> Just brought home a small collection of Ukrainian records. This stuff really knocks my hat in the creek! Pre-Soviet Klezmer from the 1920s.
>>
>> http://pdx78s.cdbpdx.com/Uklez/
>>
>>> I had a much different concept of Ukrainian music before this. Enjoy!
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