[78-L] EBay Problems...

[Paul Christenzen]

Don't they have to win and pay for something before they can leave 
Feedback? Just be sure you get enough postage to cover insurance so you 
get a delivery signature.  You'll need that to claim "Seller Protection".

neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com wrote:
> I was in a similar situation once, feared that someone I was having a
> problem with would give me neg feedback in retaliation if I put
> something up on ebay. I discovered that there is a way to ban someone
> from bidding on your auctions. This is what I did. Later every thing
> resolved, turned out the guy was cooperative and we reached an agreement
> ourselves and I un-banned him, altho I haven't put anything up on ebay
> in some time.
>
> \Since you know who some of the perps are, perhaps you could ban them,
> altho there is always the risk that they have multiple accunts or
> friends who would feedback on their behalf negatively.
>
> I also think you should contact ebay about this. Don't know if they can
> do anything about this, but they should be informed.
>
> joe salerno
>
>
> On 8/28/2012 7:49 PM, MOMs ATTIC wrote:
>> Guys:  David suggested I submit this to ya’ll for comment and advice:
>>
>> On 8/28/2012 1:00 PM, MOMs ATTIC wrote:
>>
>>
>> David,
>> I'm mailing you off 78L because I don't want to step on any toes with my
>> assumptions. I need your advice. I know you sell on EBay; I've saved you
>> as a seller and I watch your listings closely.
>> My problem is that I bought a book that will teach me how to determine what
>> type of pictures/prints are in books. When I ordered it for $35.00, the Ebarf
>> ad said shipping was $1.00. The seller charged me another $28.00 as it was
>> coming from Israel and he said the shipping was comparable for it to
>> have come from Canada. OK, I bit the bullet on that one - not wanting to cause a scene I paid him even though it took half of that month's profits.
>>
>>
>> The bigger problem is I never received the book. I contacted the seller
>> and he said he tracked it down from Israel and it was delivered to my home several Saturdays ago. I'm home on Saturdays as I usually have Craigs List sales scheduled each Saturday. No book received. The 29th is the last day I
>> can go to the EBAy complaint department to report the missing item.
>> Yesterday and today I pulled up the seller's stats and saw that he has
>> numerous negative feedbacks but everytime he receives one, he loads up on sales and positive feedback, mostly from the same buyers.
>>
>>
>> My fear is if I leave negative feedback and report the missing book to
>> EBay (as deserved), he will turn around and buy something from me (I just started selling on EBay in March) and then leave negative feedback in
>> retaliation, or say he didn't get whatever he bid on.
>>
>>
>> So, what I've been doing all morning is looking at who he's been getting
>> good feedback from. And, Wow! I think I really stumbled onto something...
>> There are major sellers in Israel, England, Ireland, South Africa and the USA who are all using both each other and the same "schill" buyers to 1) Up their
>> feedback score and, 2) probably increase the value of their stock with repeated
>> sales to one another at higher prices...They mainly deal in stamps, books and
>> emphemera.
>>
>>
>> I came to this conclusion by looking at the relationship between the agents
>> listed most often as buying or selling with the main protagonist I was
>> researching. The people he used to give him favorable feedback after
>> negative feedback were also posting positive repetitive feedback to and getting
>> it back from the same groups of people. And one group would lead me to another group with a specific buyer-only account, that seems to be a schill setup – with multiple purchases from the same people several days in a row ....(conveniently increasing feedback scores)...many on a monthly basis.
>>
>>
>> So, my questions are: (and I'll keep in confidence your response...) is that
>> normal for groups of collectors selling on EBay? Does that sort of thing
>> go on all the time behind the scenes? Are there websites where one can go to
>> belong to such a "feedback club"?
>> Also, since if, as I believe, that dealers are using multiple accounts
>> to leave bogus feedback and inflated prices, what about my leaving negative feedback about this guy? I don't think I can ban all of his names and his friend's schill names and accounts. My list of names thus far is 8 pages long,
>> (and all intertwined with one another). So, what do I do? Any advice would be
>> appreciated. I respect you and the other members of 78L. Thank God
>> someone (I think it was you), mentioned the Toolhaus.org site, as that was
>> invaluable in researching the relationships between these sellers.
>>
>>
>> Anyhow, any advice would be appreciated. I'm still trying to learn my way
>> around EBay. Thanks for your time and consideration. Miss Patti.
>>
>>
>> From: David Lennick<dlennick at sympatico.ca>
>> Subject: Re: EBarf Miasma....Help With Advice? (Long Explanation of Problem)
>> To: "MOMs ATTIC"<ifoundthisforyou at yahoo.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, August 28, 2012, 5:59 PM
>> Hi Miss P..wow, this sounds like a major can of worms, and I've never run
>> into anything like this. I've had shill bidders, like the one clown in
>> England who bid high on every reggae and calypso record that was listed and
>> then would disappear and emerge under a new name, but I know nothing about
>> what sounds like feedback claques. In any case, I would definitely report
>> this to eBay and have them open a case. How did you pay? If you used AMEX
>> (even through Paypal), they go after undelivered items. I had to do that a
>> couple of times.
>>
>> And I'd also ask about this on 78-L, or to someone like Taylor Bowie who
>> deals in books..I've been pretty lucky with my sales, less lucky with
>> purchases a few years ago which is why I stopped bidding entirely. Too many
>> amateurs and con artists out there at the time. Where is this guy? If he's
>> not in Israel, how can he be selling something that he doesn't have or on
>> behalf of a third party?
>>
>> Sorry for the delay in answering, but this was in the spam filter. Any name
>> or address the system doesn't recognize ends up there the first time.
>>
>> Cheers
>> David
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