[78-L] EBay Problems...

[neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com]

I was in a similar situation once, feared that someone I was having a 
problem with would give me neg feedback in retaliation if I put 
something up on ebay. I discovered that there is a way to ban someone 
from bidding on your auctions. This is what I did. Later every thing 
resolved, turned out the guy was cooperative and we reached an agreement 
ourselves and I un-banned him, altho I haven't put anything up on ebay 
in some time.

\Since you know who some of the perps are, perhaps you could ban them, 
altho there is always the risk that they have multiple accunts or 
friends who would feedback on their behalf negatively.

I also think you should contact ebay about this. Don't know if they can 
do anything about this, but they should be informed.

joe salerno


On 8/28/2012 7:49 PM, MOMs ATTIC wrote:
> Guys:  David suggested I submit this to ya’ll for comment and advice:
>
> On 8/28/2012 1:00 PM, MOMs ATTIC wrote:
>
>
> David,
> I'm mailing you off 78L because I don't want to step on any toes with my
> assumptions. I need your advice. I know you sell on EBay; I've saved you
> as a seller and I watch your listings closely.
> My problem is that I bought a book that will teach me how to determine what
> type of pictures/prints are in books. When I ordered it for $35.00, the Ebarf
> ad said shipping was $1.00. The seller charged me another $28.00 as it was
> coming from Israel and he said the shipping was comparable for it to
> have come from Canada. OK, I bit the bullet on that one - not wanting to cause a scene I paid him even though it took half of that month's profits.
>
>
> The bigger problem is I never received the book. I contacted the seller
> and he said he tracked it down from Israel and it was delivered to my home several Saturdays ago. I'm home on Saturdays as I usually have Craigs List sales scheduled each Saturday. No book received. The 29th is the last day I
> can go to the EBAy complaint department to report the missing item.
> Yesterday and today I pulled up the seller's stats and saw that he has
> numerous negative feedbacks but everytime he receives one, he loads up on sales and positive feedback, mostly from the same buyers.
>
>
> My fear is if I leave negative feedback and report the missing book to
> EBay (as deserved), he will turn around and buy something from me (I just started selling on EBay in March) and then leave negative feedback in
> retaliation, or say he didn't get whatever he bid on.
>
>
> So, what I've been doing all morning is looking at who he's been getting
> good feedback from. And, Wow! I think I really stumbled onto something...
> There are major sellers in Israel, England, Ireland, South Africa and the USA who are all using both each other and the same "schill" buyers to 1) Up their
> feedback score and, 2) probably increase the value of their stock with repeated
> sales to one another at higher prices...They mainly deal in stamps, books and
> emphemera.
>
>
> I came to this conclusion by looking at the relationship between the agents
> listed most often as buying or selling with the main protagonist I was
> researching. The people he used to give him favorable feedback after
> negative feedback were also posting positive repetitive feedback to and getting
> it back from the same groups of people. And one group would lead me to another group with a specific buyer-only account, that seems to be a schill setup – with multiple purchases from the same people several days in a row ....(conveniently increasing feedback scores)...many on a monthly basis.
>
>
> So, my questions are: (and I'll keep in confidence your response...) is that
> normal for groups of collectors selling on EBay? Does that sort of thing
> go on all the time behind the scenes? Are there websites where one can go to
> belong to such a "feedback club"?
> Also, since if, as I believe, that dealers are using multiple accounts
> to leave bogus feedback and inflated prices, what about my leaving negative feedback about this guy? I don't think I can ban all of his names and his friend's schill names and accounts. My list of names thus far is 8 pages long,
> (and all intertwined with one another). So, what do I do? Any advice would be
> appreciated. I respect you and the other members of 78L. Thank God
> someone (I think it was you), mentioned the Toolhaus.org site, as that was
> invaluable in researching the relationships between these sellers.
>
>
> Anyhow, any advice would be appreciated. I'm still trying to learn my way
> around EBay. Thanks for your time and consideration. Miss Patti.
>
>
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: EBarf Miasma....Help With Advice? (Long Explanation of Problem)
> To: "MOMs ATTIC" <ifoundthisforyou at yahoo.com>
> Date: Tuesday, August 28, 2012, 5:59 PM
> Hi Miss P..wow, this sounds like a major can of worms, and I've never run
> into anything like this. I've had shill bidders, like the one clown in
> England who bid high on every reggae and calypso record that was listed and
> then would disappear and emerge under a new name, but I know nothing about
> what sounds like feedback claques. In any case, I would definitely report
> this to eBay and have them open a case. How did you pay? If you used AMEX
> (even through Paypal), they go after undelivered items. I had to do that a
> couple of times.
>
> And I'd also ask about this on 78-L, or to someone like Taylor Bowie who
> deals in books..I've been pretty lucky with my sales, less lucky with
> purchases a few years ago which is why I stopped bidding entirely. Too many
> amateurs and con artists out there at the time. Where is this guy? If he's
> not in Israel, how can he be selling something that he doesn't have or on
> behalf of a third party?
>
> Sorry for the delay in answering, but this was in the spam filter. Any name
> or address the system doesn't recognize ends up there the first time.
>
> Cheers
> David
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Joe Salerno