[78-L] BBC Radio Goon Shows

David Lennick dlennick at sympatico.ca
Sun Jun 24 10:10:29 PDT 2012

Ditto the bridges and music cues. If you ever see original BBC transcriptions, 
you'll notice a sheet that lists every single piece of music and its duration. 
I'm sure their position was that commercially issued lps were going to be 
broadcast (and Capitol Records of Canada cheerfully sent promo copies of the 
Parlophones and the later domestic pressings, which were even further mangled 
"duophonically"). Clearly BBC's own label had no problem with including the 
music, although they tended to use the edited programs from Transcription 
Services. In one case they actually pressed the syndicated version for 
commercial issue (The Last Goon Show of All, also known as The Least Funny Goon 
Show of All).


On 6/24/2012 1:01 PM, Royal Pemberton wrote:
> Parlophone was for years on the short end of the EMI budget stick.  So even
> if Martin wanted to include Geldray and Elllington's music I doubt EMI
> would have given him the budget to permit paying the fees required.
> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 5:54 PM, David Lennick<dlennick at sympatico.ca>wrote:
>> Can we give George the benefit of the doubt and assume that EMI had no
>> intention of paying for music cues and that he was directed to salvage as
>> much
>> of the shows as possible? Hey, some of us would cut Geldray and Ellington
>> while
>> we were taping those shows off the air.
>> dl
>> On 6/24/2012 12:44 PM, Michael Biel wrote:
>>> My experience with the CURRENT series of BBC restorations vs. the old
>>> EMI versions BUTCHERED by George Martin are just as Alan Bunting
>>> reports.  The BBC has worked with compiling and combining everything it
>>> has of the episodes from the versions held by the Home Service and the
>>> Transcription Service.  Some of the older BBC issues on LP and single
>>> CDs did not benefit from this combining, and therefore might be missing
>>> something that one of the services might have edited out. Beyond the
>>> music, I understand that there were some domestic issues and/or
>>> international comments that might have been edited from the dialog by
>>> the Transcription Service that they thought was not appropriate for an
>>> international audience, but these have been restored to the programs in
>>> THIS release if the Home Service versions still existed.
>>> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> From: Alan Bunting<alanbuntinguk at yahoo.com>
>>> All of the BBC Goon Show re-issues contain the Geldray and Ellington
>>> musical items although, most frustratingly, they are not identified on
>>> the last dozen or so collections.  I have looked in vain for a listing
>>> of them on the various Goon Show WEB sites with no success.
>>> However, the few shows that were licensed and re-issued by EMI
>>> (originally on LP and still available on CD) had not only the Geldray
>>> and Ellington items edited but also most of the incidental music
>>> (performed by Wally Stott and his Orchestra - the BBC Big Band had
>>> nothing whatsoever to do with the Goon Show - it didn't even exist when
>>> they were recorded.)
>>> Alan Bunting
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> On 24/06/12 09:49, RUSSELL BARNES wrote:
>>>>> Hellow,
>>>>> Re The BBC issue on CD of the Goon Shows : Is it true the very good
>> musical interludes with Max Geldray and the BBC Big Band have been edited
>> out.
>>>>> RB
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> They aren't edited out when they are broadcast on BBC Radio 4 Extra. I
>>>> don't rate Geldray very much--a lot of his solos consisted of quotes.
>>>> Ray Ellington Quartet is fine. Are his contribution left in?
>>>>      Julian Vein

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