[78-L] Victor scrolls

[Michael Biel]

On 4/6/2012 3:56 PM, Sean Miller wrote:
> I just grabbed one of my copies of this and there are ring breaks (I never noticed those before).  The inner ring is broken at the 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock position on each side.  The rings are slightly away from the meatball logo.  So, what does this tell us?
>
> Sean

That's the point.  I don't know.  The main indicators are whether there 
are breaks in both rings at 12 0'clock or not, and if the rings are 
close to or away from the meatball.  If they nearly touch and there is 
no break it is Indianapolis, with a 12 o'clock break it is Hollywood.  
If they are about 1/8 inch away from the meatball with no break it is 
Camden, with the break it is Canonsburg.  That info is on page 279 of 
the new Victor label book.  I've seen no paperwork in the files with any 
other illustrations, nor anything about the Manufacturing Co ring labels 
where the rings can be close, distant, or uneven at the lower ends by 
the name.  You never noticed those either, right??!!  There's a label 
similar to yours on page 135 and 204.  Breaks at 10 and 2 O'Clock were 
used in the Manf Co days (page 144) and meatball days (pg 112).  I don't 
know where these were pressed.  There's an example of the breaks at 12 
O'clock on pg 108.  Since the rings are close, this is a Hollywood 
pressing.

Until I found the sheet illustrating the four examples I know, we all 
thought these breaks were just printing goofs.  Not mentioned in the 
book are the indicators used on the first microgroove labels, prior to 
them putting the letters in the vinyl.  Look at the top edge where the 
trademarks are shown and separated by a dash.  If there is a double dash 
like an equal sign, that location on the label denotes the pressing plant.

Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:21 PM, Michael Biel<mbiel at mbiel.com>  wrote:
>
>>
>> On 4/6/2012 2:02 PM, David Lennick wrote:
>>> Presumably..for many, that was how we first heard it. Certainly all Canadian
>>> pressings from 1941 till a dubbed master went into use around 1947 are the
>>> split version.
>>>
>>> dl
>> I have a US pressing but it has a weird set of breaks in the label
>> rings, which were the denotations of the pressing plant.  I've been
>> wondering if this might have denoted a Canadian pressing plant for the
>> U.S. market because I don't think I have seen that sequence of breaks
>> before.  I don't have it handy to describe where they are.  Maybe
>> someone else has it and can tell us.  We would also need to know if the
>> rings are close to or slightly away from the meatball logo at the bottom.
>>
>> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com
>>> On 4/6/2012 1:52 PM, David Weiner wrote:
>>>> Uhhh, what? Huh? Do you mean the incorrectly coupled reissue with one side
>>>> from 1924 and the other from 1927?   Dave Weiner
>>>>
>>>> On 4/6/12 1:26 PM, "David Lennick"<dlennick at sympatico.ca>    wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nyuk nyuk nyuk.   dl
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/6/2012 1:14 PM, Dave Burnham wrote:
>>>>>> I was always impressed that the move to electrical recording occurred
>>>>>> when Victor was in the middle of recording Rhapsody in Blue, so that one
>>>>>> side was acoustic and the other was electrical.   db
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> _