[78-L] Playing Black Amberols on an Amberola

[bruce78rpm at comcast.net]

In the Model B(1), and also the A as I already mentioned, the Model L was standard issue with those machines to play 4 minute Amberols, with the introduction of the Blue Amberol (Celluloid) Cylinders in 1912, the Diamond model A was then available to play them. The Diamond Reproducers would almost play the Indestructable type cylinders as well. The same was true on the Amberola III. Black Wax Four Minute Amberol Cylinders were phased out of production in 1912. On the model V table model, introduced in 1913, it was issued with a Diamond Model B Reproducer with an option of a N and then N-56 recommended to play 4 minute wax Amberols. In other words, Diamond reproducers were for the new blue amberols with the N available for the older and softer 4 minute Amberols. 

Bruce 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Chichester" <dnjchi78 at live.com> 
To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 5:03:24 PM 
Subject: Re: [78-L] Playing Black Amberols on an Amberola 


Why is that? Wasn't the same doorknob stylus used for all Amberolls, regardless of the compound? 4 minute is 4 minute, black or blue, right? 

Don 


> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:19:29 +0000 
> From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net 
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com 
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Playing Black Amberols on an Amberola 
> 
> Ok, thanks, that explains it. Naturally your Black Wax 4 minute Amberol cylinders are going to be "chewed up" and eventually destroyed by a Diamond C Reproducer designed to play only Blue Amberols. 
> 
> Bruce 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Malcolm - Venerable Music" <malcolm at venerablemusic.com> 
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 3:15:57 PM 
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Playing Black Amberols on an Amberola 
> 
> Hey Bruce - It's a basic Amberola 30, with the diamond C reproducer (I think 
> any way). After now doing some research, it looks like these models and 
> reproducers were only meant for the later blue amberols and indestructibles. 
> Well, now I know! I thought all 4 minute cylinders were interchangeable and 
> would play on any Edison machine. 
> I'm learning as I go! My first thought was to start shopping for a new 
> machine just to play this cylinder, but I think I came to my senses when 
> looking at Buy It Now prices! Anyhow, I'm just going to relist it for sale 
> (on the vmauction site) & look for another when & if I ever luck into a nice 
> outside horn machine or Amberola IV. Maybe I can find one of the Polk Miller 
> QRS records - ha! 
> Malcolm 
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> -----Original Message----- 
> From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:59 PM 
> To: 78-L Mail List 
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Playing Black Amberols on an Amberola 
> 
> It would help to know which Amberola Phonograph you are playing it on. I 
> have an early model 1A with a combination two stylus M reproducer designed 
> to play both 2 minute Black Wax as well as 4 minute black wax. This replaced 
> the earlier model L reproducer which could play only the 4 minute black wax 
> cylinders. 
> 
> Bruce 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Malcolm - Venerable Music" <malcolm at venerablemusic.com> 
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:40:21 PM 
> Subject: [78-L] Playing Black Amberols on an Amberola 
> 
> Hey Everyone – Quick question about the early Black Edison Amberol 
> cylinders. I recently go my first Polk Miller 4 min cylinder, Bonnie Blue 
> Flag #389. 
> When I play it on my Amberola, it plays fine, but when I’m finished the 
> cylinder is covered with a fine black powder that I can only surmise is 
> coming from the grooves of the cylinder! 
> Is this normal for the early Black Amberols? Could I have a bad stylus? Am I 
> using the wrong machine? Every other cylinder I have is blue and appears to 
> play fine. I’m a total newbie with Edison stuff and do not want to be doing 
> damage to this cylinder by playing it (which sucks as it’s such a great 
> song). 
> Any advice on this is appreciated. 
> Thanks, 
> Malcolm 
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