[78-L] Playing Black Amberols on an Amberola

Wed Feb 15 14:54:47 PST 2012

Hey Don - The stylus fits & I was able to play the cylinder once with my 
Amberola 30 - no problem. It was when I pulled it off that I noticed some 
small black smudges on my hand. It looked like dust, but I had just cleaned 
the cylinder so I knew it wasn't.
The Black cylinders are softer than the Blue so I imagine had I continued to 
play it, eventually the stylus would have worn out the grooves (like playing 
a 78 with a dull needle??). I think the older reproducers had less weight on 
them as well which probably made a difference.

For Craig - Yes, doing some looking & I see most of them as 2000 series Blue 
Amberols as well. Just like Don, I thought the Blue and Black were basically 
the same as they were both 4 mins.
At least now I know I can continue looking for Blue ones! They are such 
great songs I can see how they would have stayed in the catalog.

Malcolm

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-----Original Message----- 
From: Don Chichester
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 5:03 PM
To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
Subject: Re: [78-L] Playing Black Amberols on an Amberola

Why is that?  Wasn't the same doorknob stylus used for all Amberolls, 
regardless of the compound?  4 minute is 4 minute, black or blue, right?

Don

> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:19:29 +0000
> From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Playing Black Amberols on an Amberola
>
> Ok, thanks, that explains it. Naturally your Black Wax 4 minute Amberol 
> cylinders are going to be "chewed up" and eventually destroyed by a 
> Diamond C Reproducer designed to play only Blue Amberols.
>
> Bruce
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Malcolm - Venerable Music" <malcolm at venerablemusic.com>
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 3:15:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Playing Black Amberols on an Amberola
>
> Hey Bruce - It's a basic Amberola 30, with the diamond C reproducer (I 
> think
> any way). After now doing some research, it looks like these models and
> reproducers were only meant for the later blue amberols and 
> indestructibles.
> Well, now I know! I thought all 4 minute cylinders were interchangeable 
> and
> would play on any Edison machine.
> I'm learning as I go! My first thought was to start shopping for a new
> machine just to play this cylinder, but I think I came to my senses when
> looking at Buy It Now prices! Anyhow, I'm just going to relist it for sale
> (on the vmauction site) & look for another when & if I ever luck into a 
> nice
> outside horn machine or Amberola IV. Maybe I can find one of the Polk 
> Miller
> QRS records - ha!
> Malcolm
>
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>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:59 PM
> To: 78-L Mail List
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Playing Black Amberols on an Amberola
>
> It would help to know which Amberola Phonograph you are playing it on. I
> have an early model 1A with a combination two stylus M reproducer designed
> to play both 2 minute Black Wax as well as 4 minute black wax. This 
> replaced
> the earlier model L reproducer which could play only the 4 minute black 
> wax
> cylinders.
>
> Bruce
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Malcolm - Venerable Music" <malcolm at venerablemusic.com>
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:40:21 PM
> Subject: [78-L] Playing Black Amberols on an Amberola
>
> Hey Everyone – Quick question about the early Black Edison Amberol
> cylinders. I recently go my first Polk Miller 4 min cylinder, Bonnie Blue
> Flag #389.
> When I play it on my Amberola, it plays fine, but when I’m finished the
> cylinder is covered with a fine black powder that I can only surmise is
> coming from the grooves of the cylinder!
> Is this normal for the early Black Amberols? Could I have a bad stylus? Am 
> I
> using the wrong machine? Every other cylinder I have is blue and appears 
> to
> play fine. I’m a total newbie with Edison stuff and do not want to be 
> doing
> damage to this cylinder by playing it (which sucks as it’s such a great
> song).
> Any advice on this is appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Malcolm
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