[78-L] 16" Pathes.
OKIN EARL
spats47 at ntlworld.com
Wed Feb 8 13:06:48 PST 2012
I have a few 16" Pathes. Mine are operatic.
They're not that rare in France. You find them in 'brocante' (junk)
shops in the countryside.
Nobody seems to want them much.
Earl.
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> 1. Canadian Victor poster 1929 (Han Enderman)
> 2. Re: Have RCA question. (Michael Biel)
> 3. Re: Have RCA question. (David Lennick)
> 4. There is no 45 rpm RCA 45-0000 record. I goofed.
> (Dennis Flannigan)
> 5. Re: There is no 45 rpm RCA 45-0000 record. I goofed.
> (Royal Pemberton)
> 6. Re: There is no 45 rpm RCA 45-0000 record. I goofed.
> (Robert M. Bratcher Jr.)
> 7. Re: There is no 45 rpm RCA 45-0000 record. I goofed.
> (Robert M. Bratcher Jr.)
> 8. Lost in translation (David Lennick)
> 9. Re: Lost in translation (marimbamoods at comcast.net)
> 10. Re: 20" Pathe, yours for only 5 grand!
> (neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com)
> 11. Concrete Pathes (Anthony G Pavick)
> 12. Re: 20" Pathe, yours for only 5 grand! (Bertrand CHAUMELLE)
> 13. Re: 20" Pathe, yours for only 5 grand! (Royal Pemberton)
> 14. Re: 20" Pathe, yours for only 5 grand! (Bertrand CHAUMELLE)
> 15. Re: 20" Pathe, yours for only 5 grand! (bruce78rpm at comcast.net)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 21:39:26 +0100
> From: "Han Enderman" <jcenderman at solcon.nl>
> Subject: [78-L] Canadian Victor poster 1929
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> Images of an Aug 1929 Canadian Victor 13x36" dealer poster
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Old-Antique-1929-RCA-VICTOR-PHONOGRAPH-RECORD-ADVERTISING-LIST-SIGN-NIPPER-DOG-/320840005748?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab38df874
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> Item number: 320840005748
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> han enderman
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 19:01:51 -0500
> From: Michael Biel <mbiel at mbiel.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Have RCA question.
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> Dennis has sent an off-list scan to Lenneck and I, and it is a standard
> black label with color nipper that doesn't seem at all that unusual. It
> is in the educational series as E-80, with matrix number E1EB-4138 on
> side A. It is a late (post-1954) pressing of a 1951 matrix, the final B
> meaning 10-inch standard groove 78. BUT, Dennis claims it runs at 45
> RPM. It has three tracks, 1) Dance (Bartok), 2) Play on the Beach and
> 3) Play No. 2 from "Pictures from Childhood" by Mompou). RCA Victor
> Orchestra, Ardon Cornwell, Cond. There are no timings on the label. Is
> it REALLY 45 RPM? Anybody else have a copy for comparison. It is
> possible that someone mad a mistake in setting the turntable speed for a
> re-cutting for this late pressing
>
> Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com
>
> On 2/7/2012 1:47 AM, Michael Biel wrote:
>> We need more information. Was the Nipper in full color or just
>> outline? Is the label glossy? What color is the label. What are the
>> matrix numbers if they are different from the record number? Is this
>> vinyl or shellac? If vinyl, is it regular thickness or very thin? Is
>> there a pressing plant letter in the lead-out area (I, R, or H)? What
>> are the titles? The Nipper you are talking about is at the top center,
>> and not on the lower left as a picture commonly seen on the children's
>> records?
>>
>> Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com
>>
>> On 2/6/2012 10:48 PM, David Lennick wrote:
>>> On 2/6/2012 10:42 PM, David Breneman wrote:
>>>> From: Dennis Flannigan<dennis.flannigan at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I have a 10" RCA Victor record, 45-5039, featuring the RCA Victor
>>>>> Orchestra. Beautiful color label with Nipper seemingly licking the horn.
>>>>> Sniffing, I suspect.
>>>>>
>>>>> It plays at 45 rpm. Apparently there was a 45-5000 series. I've found no
>>>>> direction on the Internet on where to get information. Is it an anomaly? Is
>>>>> it a precursor to the 45 that RCA developed. Is it common, and I don't know
>>>>> what I'm talking about? Don't reflect too deeply on the last question.
>>>> I have a DJ pressing of Pee Wee King's "Slow Poke" like that. It
>>>> looks just like a regular vinyl 10" 78 DJ release, white label with
>>>> black print, but it plays at 45. I asked about it here several
>>>> years ago but everyone was stumped.
>>>> _____________________________________________
>>> Okay, this can't be a precursor to the 45 since Slow Poke came out in late
>>> 1951. But the 45-5000 series is children's, and if it's the Victor Orchestra it
>>> was originally rose color and then full color black label. And if that one
>>> plays at 45, well that's something I don't know about....!
>>>
>>> dl
>>>
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> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 19:13:02 -0500
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Have RCA question.
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> I have it, but not as a late pressing..I have the standard rose label vinyl 78.
> E-80 is the album number (I don't have the album, but these were 4-disc sets of
> music for schools). I'll time the 3 tracks so Dennis can report whether the
> timings match up at 45.
>
> DANCE (0:37, plays in E minor)
> PLAY ON THE BEACH (0:57, plays in E minor)
> PLAY No. 2 (0:50, plays in A flat minor)
> Interesting music to play for kids! My copy has locked grooves after each
> selection.
>
> dl
>
> On 2/7/2012 7:01 PM, Michael Biel wrote:
>> Dennis has sent an off-list scan to Lenneck and I, and it is a standard
>> black label with color nipper that doesn't seem at all that unusual. It
>> is in the educational series as E-80, with matrix number E1EB-4138 on
>> side A. It is a late (post-1954) pressing of a 1951 matrix, the final B
>> meaning 10-inch standard groove 78. BUT, Dennis claims it runs at 45
>> RPM. It has three tracks, 1) Dance (Bartok), 2) Play on the Beach and
>> 3) Play No. 2 from "Pictures from Childhood" by Mompou). RCA Victor
>> Orchestra, Ardon Cornwell, Cond. There are no timings on the label. Is
>> it REALLY 45 RPM? Anybody else have a copy for comparison. It is
>> possible that someone mad a mistake in setting the turntable speed for a
>> re-cutting for this late pressing
>>
>> Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com
>>
>> On 2/7/2012 1:47 AM, Michael Biel wrote:
>>> We need more information. Was the Nipper in full color or just
>>> outline? Is the label glossy? What color is the label. What are the
>>> matrix numbers if they are different from the record number? Is this
>>> vinyl or shellac? If vinyl, is it regular thickness or very thin? Is
>>> there a pressing plant letter in the lead-out area (I, R, or H)? What
>>> are the titles? The Nipper you are talking about is at the top center,
>>> and not on the lower left as a picture commonly seen on the children's
>>> records?
>>>
>>> Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com
>>>
>>> On 2/6/2012 10:48 PM, David Lennick wrote:
>>>> On 2/6/2012 10:42 PM, David Breneman wrote:
>>>>> From: Dennis Flannigan<dennis.flannigan at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a 10" RCA Victor record, 45-5039, featuring the RCA Victor
>>>>>> Orchestra. Beautiful color label with Nipper seemingly licking the horn.
>>>>>> Sniffing, I suspect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It plays at 45 rpm. Apparently there was a 45-5000 series. I've found no
>>>>>> direction on the Internet on where to get information. Is it an anomaly? Is
>>>>>> it a precursor to the 45 that RCA developed. Is it common, and I don't know
>>>>>> what I'm talking about? Don't reflect too deeply on the last question.
>>>>> I have a DJ pressing of Pee Wee King's "Slow Poke" like that. It
>>>>> looks just like a regular vinyl 10" 78 DJ release, white label with
>>>>> black print, but it plays at 45. I asked about it here several
>>>>> years ago but everyone was stumped.
>>>>> _____________________________________________
>>>> Okay, this can't be a precursor to the 45 since Slow Poke came out in late
>>>> 1951. But the 45-5000 series is children's, and if it's the Victor Orchestra it
>>>> was originally rose color and then full color black label. And if that one
>>>> plays at 45, well that's something I don't know about....!
>>>>
>>>> dl
>>>>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 17:31:25 -0800
> From: Dennis Flannigan <dennis.flannigan at gmail.com>
> Subject: [78-L] There is no 45 rpm RCA 45-0000 record. I goofed.
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
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> Thank you Michael and David for pointing out the record is a 78 rpm
> recording. Because it reads 45, does not mean it plays at 45. Not wanting
> to screw up a microgroove, I didn't play it. Well, now that I have, I
> welcome the RCA 45-0000 series to my library, if not my heart.
>
> dennis
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 01:47:37 +0000
> From: Royal Pemberton <ampex354 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] There is no 45 rpm RCA 45-0000 record. I goofed.
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> The 78 record 45-0033 in its 45 incarnation has catalogue number 52-0000!
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:31 AM, Dennis Flannigan <dennis.flannigan at gmail.com
>> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Michael and David for pointing out the record is a 78 rpm
>> recording. Because it reads 45, does not mean it plays at 45. Not wanting
>> to screw up a microgroove, I didn't play it. Well, now that I have, I
>> welcome the RCA 45-0000 series to my library, if not my heart.
>>
>> dennis
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> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 18:07:38 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Robert M. Bratcher Jr." <rbratcherjr at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] There is no 45 rpm RCA 45-0000 record. I goofed.
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> I have perhaps 25 of these 78 RPM ?RCA 45-0000 series discs from a Baytown Texas record collector friend of mine?who got them from a family of an elementary school?teacher that had passed away. Were they all issued in 45 RPM format or only some of them? Some interesting classical music on these by the way. I didn't get the books or album sleeves these were issued with. Just the 10 inch 78's without sleeves in fairly good condition.......
>
>
>
>>________________________________
>>From: Royal Pemberton <ampex354 at gmail.com>
>>To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 7:47 PM
>>Subject: Re: [78-L] There is no 45 rpm RCA 45-0000 record. I goofed.
>>
>>The 78 record 45-0033 in its 45 incarnation has catalogue number 52-0000!
>>
>>On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:31 AM, Dennis Flannigan <dennis.flannigan at gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Michael and David for pointing out the record is a 78 rpm
>>> recording. Because it reads 45, does not mean it plays at 45. Not wanting
>>> to screw up a microgroove, I didn't play it. Well, now that I have, I
>>> welcome the RCA 45-0000 series to my library, if not my heart.
>>>
>>> dennis
>>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 18:11:30 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Robert M. Bratcher Jr." <rbratcherjr at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] There is no 45 rpm RCA 45-0000 record. I goofed.
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> I've never seen the 45 RPM version of the E-80?through E-85 series of unbreakable 78 RPM discs.
>
>
>
>>________________________________
>>From: Royal Pemberton <ampex354 at gmail.com>
>>To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 7:47 PM
>>Subject: Re: [78-L] There is no 45 rpm RCA 45-0000 record. I goofed.
>>
>>The 78 record 45-0033 in its 45 incarnation has catalogue number 52-0000!
>>
>>On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:31 AM, Dennis Flannigan <dennis.flannigan at gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Michael and David for pointing out the record is a 78 rpm
>>> recording. Because it reads 45, does not mean it plays at 45. Not wanting
>>> to screw up a microgroove, I didn't play it. Well, now that I have, I
>>> welcome the RCA 45-0000 series to my library, if not my heart.
>>>
>>> dennis
>>>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 23:38:03 -0500
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: [78-L] Lost in translation
> To: 78L <78-L at 78online.com>
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> Keeping western civilization on the straight and narrow, I noticed this in the
> notes to a Westminster issue of Meyerbeer's opera Les Huguenots.
>
> Side 1, Band 3.
>
> In English: SYMPHONIC INTERLUDE: THE FEAST
> In French: INTERMEDE SYMPHONIQUE: L'ORGIE
>
> Hmm.
>
> dl
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 05:37:32 +0000 (UTC)
> From: marimbamoods at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Lost in translation
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>
> at our superbowl party last weekend we had a chicken-wing orgy, so i'll grant Westminster that translation.
>
>
> chicken bones 'n' sauce flyin' everywhere . . . considerably more intense than anything Meyerbeer dreamt up.
>
>
> david harvey
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 10:34:01 -0600
> From: "neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com" <neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] 20" Pathe, yours for only 5 grand!
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> So same story as a 20" Pathe.
>
> I believe I have seen a video of a contemporary machine playing a 20"
> Pathe on youtube.
>
> joe salerno
>
>
> On 2/7/2012 9:27 AM, bruce78rpm at comcast.net wrote:
>> These 16" Vertical Groove Pathe records were from the early 1920's, designed to play at very high speed (120 rpm) I believe, and thus create the louder sound necessary to play in dance halls, or large auditoriums. They were advertised to play only on a Pathe Concert Actuelle Phonograph. I have only seen photos of a Concert Actuelle Phonograph, but I have heard that there is actually one that exists and owned by someone in the New York area. You can also play these records on a more modern Transcription Turntable.
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com
>> To: "78-L Mail List"<78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 10:02:50 AM
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] 20" Pathe, yours for only 5 grand!
>>
>> Fascinating! (to quote Mr. Spock). I have never seem such a thing. What
>> is this intended for originally? And what would be an aprx. date?
>>
>> joe salerno
>>
>>
>> On 2/6/2012 1:18 PM, David Lennick wrote:
>>> But only $75 for Vernon Dalhart on 16-inch.
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/78-RPM-RARE-16-INCH-VERNON-DALHART-MUSIC-SERVICE-CO-INC-563-MUST-SEE-EE-/390388286852
>>>
>>> dl
>>>
>>> On 2/6/2012 12:43 PM, neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Assuming you are the only bidder.
>>>>
>>>> It never ceases to amaze.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390388289074&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
>>>>
>>>> And the guy doesn't have perfect feedback. I would be wary of sending
>>>> him that much money.
>>>>
>>>> "REAL NICE RECORD IN GREAT SHAPE ... (followed by) UNLESS OTHERWISE
>>>> NOTED. THIS RECORD IS SOLD "AS IS" WITH NO GRADE GURANTEE."
>>>>
>>>> my78s4u, if you are on the list, please be aware that these kind of
>>>> records typically sell in the range of 500 as far as I know. I paid 400
>>>> for mine. 5 grand...really?
>>>
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>
> --
> Joe Salerno
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:03:17 +0000
> From: Anthony G Pavick <pavukanton at gmail.com>
> Subject: [78-L] Concrete Pathes
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> In the Pathe thread, I made mention of and linked to the 'concrete'
> Pathe disks.
>
> From what I have been able to tell, they are essentially a round
> piece of cement that has been laminated/ wax coated, and have a paper
> label stuck on one side. That's about all I know about them, though.
>
> So -- questions:
>
> Why cement? Surely to make a rudimentary somewhat sturdy disk, I'd
> have thought that something else would be used like maybe wood? Hmmm
> -- were any disks ever made with a wooden core?
>
> Also --
>
> How thick were they? How much did they weigh?
>
> T
>
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 18:19:06 +0100
> From: Bertrand CHAUMELLE <chaumelle at orange.fr>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] 20" Pathe, yours for only 5 grand!
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
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> I have one 16" Path? (Path?graphe- Cours d'anglais C1424) with the same
> sleeve as shown on the 20" record. The speed is 100rpm and it can be
> played on any phonograph (vertical cut), they say. But why would it be
> necessary to have loudness for English lessons ?
>
> BC
>>
>> On 2/7/2012 9:27 AM, bruce78rpm at comcast.net wrote:
>>> These 16" Vertical Groove Pathe records were from the early 1920's,
>>> designed to play at very high speed (120 rpm) I believe, and thus
>>> create the louder sound necessary to play in dance halls, or large
>>> auditoriums. They were advertised to play only on a Pathe Concert
>>> Actuelle Phonograph. I have only seen photos of a Concert Actuelle
>>> Phonograph, but I have heard that there is actually one that exists
>>> and owned by someone in the New York area. You can also play these
>>> records on a more modern Transcription Turntable.
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>>
>
>
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 17:26:24 +0000
> From: Royal Pemberton <ampex354 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] 20" Pathe, yours for only 5 grand!
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
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> Classroom use?
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Bertrand CHAUMELLE <chaumelle at orange.fr>wrote:
>
>> I have one 16" Path? (Path?graphe- Cours d'anglais C1424) with the same
>> sleeve as shown on the 20" record. The speed is 100rpm and it can be
>> played on any phonograph (vertical cut), they say. But why would it be
>> necessary to have loudness for English lessons ?
>>
>> BC
>> >
>> > On 2/7/2012 9:27 AM, bruce78rpm at comcast.net wrote:
>> >> These 16" Vertical Groove Pathe records were from the early 1920's,
>> >> designed to play at very high speed (120 rpm) I believe, and thus
>> >> create the louder sound necessary to play in dance halls, or large
>> >> auditoriums. They were advertised to play only on a Pathe Concert
>> >> Actuelle Phonograph. I have only seen photos of a Concert Actuelle
>> >> Phonograph, but I have heard that there is actually one that exists
>> >> and owned by someone in the New York area. You can also play these
>> >> records on a more modern Transcription Turntable.
>> >>
>> >> Bruce
>> >>
>>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 18:46:15 +0100
> From: Bertrand CHAUMELLE <chaumelle at orange.fr>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] 20" Pathe, yours for only 5 grand!
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> Could be, but I doubt it.
>
> Le 8 f?vr. 12, ? 18:26, Royal Pemberton a ?crit :
>
>> Classroom use?
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Bertrand CHAUMELLE
>> <chaumelle at orange.fr>wrote:
>>
>>> I have one 16" Path? (Path?graphe- Cours d'anglais C1424) with the
>>> same
>>> sleeve as shown on the 20" record. The speed is 100rpm and it can be
>>> played on any phonograph (vertical cut), they say. But why would it be
>>> necessary to have loudness for English lessons ?
>>>
>>> BC
>>>>
>>>> On 2/7/2012 9:27 AM, bruce78rpm at comcast.net wrote:
>>>>> These 16" Vertical Groove Pathe records were from the early 1920's,
>>>>> designed to play at very high speed (120 rpm) I believe, and thus
>>>>> create the louder sound necessary to play in dance halls, or large
>>>>> auditoriums. They were advertised to play only on a Pathe Concert
>>>>> Actuelle Phonograph. I have only seen photos of a Concert Actuelle
>>>>> Phonograph, but I have heard that there is actually one that exists
>>>>> and owned by someone in the New York area. You can also play these
>>>>> records on a more modern Transcription Turntable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>
>>>
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> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 18:24:08 +0000 (UTC)
> From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [78-L] 20" Pathe, yours for only 5 grand!
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> What I was talking about was the American pathe 16" (Giant) Pathe records that first made their appearance toward the mid 1920's. Not to be confused with their European Counterparts. I have a sleeve from one of these records, and that is says "Play this record on the Pathe Concert Actuelle Only". As for the other information I gave you about these oddities, that is coming directly from the 2nd Edition of "Pathe Records and Phonographs in America, 1914-1922" by George Copeland & Ronald Dethlefson. The bottom of Page 33 states as follows "There was, however a last Vertical cut U.S. Pathe product. The Pathe Company pressed vertical-cut discs for the Music Service Co. Inc. in 1923 & 1924. These were 15 5/8" high-speed (130rpm?) records intended for dance halls and movie houses where extra volume was critical. Known examples, according to discographer Martin Bryan, duplicate regular 10" Pathe-Perfect Material. There are no clues as to the prices of the records or the machine used
> to play them (The Pathe Concert Actuelle), this could mean that these products were leased, but not sold outright.
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> Bruce
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> Subject: Re: [78-L] 20" Pathe, yours for only 5 grand!
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> I have one 16" Path? (Path?graphe- Cours d'anglais C1424) with the same
> sleeve as shown on the 20" record. The speed is 100rpm and it can be
> played on any phonograph (vertical cut), they say. But why would it be
> necessary to have loudness for English lessons ?
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> BC
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>> On 2/7/2012 9:27 AM, bruce78rpm at comcast.net wrote:
>>> These 16" Vertical Groove Pathe records were from the early 1920's,
>>> designed to play at very high speed (120 rpm) I believe, and thus
>>> create the louder sound necessary to play in dance halls, or large
>>> auditoriums. They were advertised to play only on a Pathe Concert
>>> Actuelle Phonograph. I have only seen photos of a Concert Actuelle
>>> Phonograph, but I have heard that there is actually one that exists
>>> and owned by someone in the New York area. You can also play these
>>> records on a more modern Transcription Turntable.
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>>
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