[78-L] Sugar "Chile" Robinson (was Re: fake stereo)

[bradc944 at comcast.net]

Speaking of Rudolph, I ran across (not literally) a Rudolph done by a child artist, Sugar "Chile" Robinson, done mid 1950s on Capitol. Simple boogie-woogie with the innocously sweet voice of the singer. (b/w "Christmas Boogie, cat 1259 mx's 5504 & 5505). Any history on this?

TiA

Brad

----- Original Message -----
From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
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Sent: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 19:52:55 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [78-L] fake stereo

You mean Llllllettttt Ittttt Ssssssnow (x3), with all that echoechoechoecho? 
How about most reissues of Rrrrrrudolphhhhhhhh the Rrrrrred-Nosedddd Rrrrrreindeer?

dl

On 12/10/2011 2:48 PM, Royal Pemberton wrote:
> Although last evening I was in a store and heard a recording on the
> background music system with no stereo troubles....quite a surprise to hear
> 'Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow' by Vaughn Monroe!
>
> On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 7:43 PM, David Lennickwrote:
>
>> When was the last time you were in a store and heard music with such wide
>> separation that the vocal disappeared entirely on the speaker near you?
>> That
>> happened the other day in a store in Buffalo, tuned to JOY (all Christmas).
>> Something by the Ray Conniff Singers. I didn't think Columbia ever used
>> that
>> much wide separation. Command (Ray Charles Singers) and Liberty (Felix
>> Slatkin
>> on the left, then Felix Slatkin on the right) and London (Ronnie vs
>> Aldrich), yes.
>>
>> dl
>>
>> On 12/10/2011 2:37 PM, Michael Biel wrote:
>>> From: Randy Watts
>>>> Some rechanneled stereo folds down to mono reasonably well and some
>> doesn't.
>>>> If all they did was emphasize the treble in one channel and the bass in
>> other,
>>>> you can often get listenable results, albeit usually with extra reverb.
>>>> Other processes--not so much. Capitol's "Duophonic" process is pretty
>> much hopeless.
>>>> At least I've never been able to get the things to sound like mono.
>>>> Same with RCA Victor's process.    Randy
>>>
>>> During that era some companies were also adding reverb to their mono
>>> issues as well, so those are likewise hopeless.  I remember a couple of
>>> Duophonic records which combined to mono very well but can't remember
>>> which ones now.  The processes most labels used would differ from album
>>> to album and sometimes from track to track.  RCA usually filtered the
>>> highs to the left and put a triple echo and the bass to the right.  The
>>> left channel can sometimes be used alone with some added bass.  I have
>>> some Perry Como and Belafonte albums that are the Perry Como Quartet and
>>> Belefonte Quartet. The re-echoing of the already echoed Elvis recordings
>>> was truly amazing.  It was the Elvis Quartet and the Stamps Octet.
>>>
>>> The biggest irony is back in the early days of CDs, RCA issued a group
>>> of Elvis albums with an electronic stereo logo included on the covers,
>>> and the critics EXPLODED!  So RCA apologized and redid the CDs from the
>>> original mono studio tapes, and sold off the first issues as cut-outs.
>>> They were the very first drilled cheap CDs I ever saw so I bought them
>>> as historic relics.  They were pure perfect MONO, recorded from some
>>> good condition early work tapes made at the time the masters were new
>>> and in good condition.  Then I heard the mono replacements and found
>>> that they had been played incorrectly from badly warped acetate original
>>> studio tapes with the highs swishing in and out.
>>>
>>> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Christopher Steward
>>>
>>>> This is not quite on topic, but I'm sure there are plenty of people who
>> can give some information/advice.
>>>>     I'm interested in restoring an 'electronic stereo' disc to decent
>> mono sound; clearly I need to reverse whatever original processing was
>> applied, if possible, but I don't know what that would have been. Were
>> there different approaches? Can anyone advise how I can go about
>> investigating this?
>>> Thanks,  Chris
>>> _______
>>>
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