[78-L] fake stereo

[Royal Pemberton]

No, it actually sounded nice and dry.  I hear you about the horrid
tape-echoed reissues of 'Rudolph'....yuck.

On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 7:52 PM, David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>wrote:

> You mean Llllllettttt Ittttt Ssssssnow (x3), with all that
> echoechoechoecho?
> How about most reissues of Rrrrrrudolphhhhhhhh the Rrrrrred-Nosedddd
> Rrrrrreindeer?
>
> dl
>
> On 12/10/2011 2:48 PM, Royal Pemberton wrote:
> > Although last evening I was in a store and heard a recording on the
> > background music system with no stereo troubles....quite a surprise to
> hear
> > 'Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow' by Vaughn Monroe!
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 7:43 PM, David Lennick<dlennick at sympatico.ca
> >wrote:
> >
> >> When was the last time you were in a store and heard music with such
> wide
> >> separation that the vocal disappeared entirely on the speaker near you?
> >> That
> >> happened the other day in a store in Buffalo, tuned to JOY (all
> Christmas).
> >> Something by the Ray Conniff Singers. I didn't think Columbia ever used
> >> that
> >> much wide separation. Command (Ray Charles Singers) and Liberty (Felix
> >> Slatkin
> >> on the left, then Felix Slatkin on the right) and London (Ronnie vs
> >> Aldrich), yes.
> >>
> >> dl
> >>
> >> On 12/10/2011 2:37 PM, Michael Biel wrote:
> >>> From: Randy Watts<rew1014 at yahoo.com>
> >>>> Some rechanneled stereo folds down to mono reasonably well and some
> >> doesn't.
> >>>> If all they did was emphasize the treble in one channel and the bass
> in
> >> other,
> >>>> you can often get listenable results, albeit usually with extra
> reverb.
> >>>> Other processes--not so much. Capitol's "Duophonic" process is pretty
> >> much hopeless.
> >>>> At least I've never been able to get the things to sound like mono.
> >>>> Same with RCA Victor's process.    Randy
> >>>
> >>> During that era some companies were also adding reverb to their mono
> >>> issues as well, so those are likewise hopeless.  I remember a couple of
> >>> Duophonic records which combined to mono very well but can't remember
> >>> which ones now.  The processes most labels used would differ from album
> >>> to album and sometimes from track to track.  RCA usually filtered the
> >>> highs to the left and put a triple echo and the bass to the right.  The
> >>> left channel can sometimes be used alone with some added bass.  I have
> >>> some Perry Como and Belafonte albums that are the Perry Como Quartet
> and
> >>> Belefonte Quartet. The re-echoing of the already echoed Elvis
> recordings
> >>> was truly amazing.  It was the Elvis Quartet and the Stamps Octet.
> >>>
> >>> The biggest irony is back in the early days of CDs, RCA issued a group
> >>> of Elvis albums with an electronic stereo logo included on the covers,
> >>> and the critics EXPLODED!  So RCA apologized and redid the CDs from the
> >>> original mono studio tapes, and sold off the first issues as cut-outs.
> >>> They were the very first drilled cheap CDs I ever saw so I bought them
> >>> as historic relics.  They were pure perfect MONO, recorded from some
> >>> good condition early work tapes made at the time the masters were new
> >>> and in good condition.  Then I heard the mono replacements and found
> >>> that they had been played incorrectly from badly warped acetate
> original
> >>> studio tapes with the highs swishing in and out.
> >>>
> >>> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Christopher Steward<chris.1picc at yahoo.co.uk>
> >>>
> >>>> This is not quite on topic, but I'm sure there are plenty of people
> who
> >> can give some information/advice.
> >>>>     I'm interested in restoring an 'electronic stereo' disc to decent
> >> mono sound; clearly I need to reverse whatever original processing was
> >> applied, if possible, but I don't know what that would have been. Were
> >> there different approaches? Can anyone advise how I can go about
> >> investigating this?
> >>> Thanks,  Chris
> >>> _______
> >>>
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