[78-L] Roots of Rock n Roll (was: Back Beat Boogie)

[Milan P Milovanovic]

May I add "Sweethearts on Parade" by Lionel Hampton, with Chu Berry on tenor 
and wonderful Cozy Cole at the drums:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUueOfaKA3U


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cary Ginell" <soundthink at live.com>
To: <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [78-L] Roots of Rock n Roll (was: Back Beat Boogie)



1930s western swing used a distinctive back beat, which its musicians told 
me came directly from dixieland, or New Orleans jazz. You can hear it in Lu 
Watters' 1941 recordings, which were based on record by King Oliver.

Cary Ginell

> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 12:05:47 -0400
> From: dlennick at sympatico.ca
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Roots of Rock n Roll (was: Back Beat Boogie)
>
>
>  From wikishmikipea:
>
> A back beat, or backbeat, is a syncopated accentuation on the "off" beat. 
> In a
> simple 4/4 rhythm these are beats 2 and 4.[10] Emphasized back beat, a 
> feature
> of some African styles, defined rhythm and blues recordings in the late 
> 1940s
> and so became one of the defining characteristics of rock and roll and 
> much
> contemporary popular music.
>
> An early record with an emphasised back beat throughout was "Good Rockin'
> Tonight" by Wynonie Harris in 1948.[citation needed] However drummer Earl
> Palmer claimed the honour for "The Fat Man" by Fats Domino in 1949, which 
> he
> played on, saying he adopted it from the final "shout" or "out" chorus 
> common
> in Dixieland jazz. However urban contemporary gospel was stressing the 
> back
> beat much earlier with hand-clapping and tambourines. There is a 
> hand-clapping
> back beat on "Roll 'Em Pete" by Pete Johnson and Big Joe Turner, recorded 
> in
> 1938. A distinctive back beat can be heard on "Back Beat Boogie" by Harry 
> James
> And His Orchestra, recorded in late 1939.[11] Other early recorded 
> examples
> include the final verse of "Grand Slam" by Benny Goodman in 1942 and some
> sections of The Glenn Miller Orchestra's "(I've Got A Girl In) Kalamazoo",
> while tapes of Charlie Christian jamming at Minton's Playhouse around the 
> same
> time have a sustained snare-drum back-beat on the hottest choruses.
> Delayed backbeat (last eighth note in each measure) as in funk music[12] 
> About
> this sound play (help·info)
>
> In the mid 1940s "hillbilly" musicians the Delmore Brothers were turning 
> out
> boogie tunes with a hard driving back beat, such as the #2 hit "Freight 
> Train
> Boogie" in 1946, as well as in other boogie songs they recorded.[13] 
> Similarly
> Fred Maddox’s trademark back beat, a slapping bass style, helped drive a 
> rhythm
> that came to be known as rockabilly, one of the early forms of rock and
> roll.[14] Maddox had used this style as early as 1937.[15]
>
> In today's popular music the snare drum is typically used to play the 
> backbeat
> pattern.[5] Early funk music often delayed one of the backbeats so as, "to 
> give
> a 'kick' to the [overall] beat".[12]
>
> Some songs, such as The Beatles' "Please Please Me" and "I Want to Hold 
> Your
> Hand", The Knack's "Good Girls Don't" and Blondie's "Hanging on the 
> Telephone",
> employ a double backbeat pattern.[16] In a double backbeat, one of the off
> beats is played as two eighth notes rather than one quarter note.[16]
>
> dl
>
> On 10/1/2011 12:01 PM, agp wrote:
> > Admittedly, I don't know much about this sort of stuff, and the topic
> > is very much open to, no doubt, loud and argumentative, debate, but
> > -- what floored me about Back Beat Boogie by Harry James was a sound
> > that was so very much like 50s rock'n'roll, that anyone could pick it
> > out,if not mistake it for a 50s recording.
> >
> > Am I correct in saying that the back beat is what is makes it so?
> >
> > What other early 40s, 1930s, and before (is that possible?) tracks
> > have that direct to rock'n'roll sound.
> >
> > Although thought of by some, Rock and Roll by the Boswell Sisters
> > merley uses the term. Rock me by Sister Rosetta Tharpe seems to be
> > there. Caldonia by Louis Jordan is there..
> >
> > Just wonder what others qualify
> >
> > T
> >
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