[78-L] record cabinet?

[Erwin Kluwer]

I think the celebrity sleeves were earlier. I have a Giovanni Gravina sleeve
in exact the same style as the others (battistin, caruso, tamagno, etc). His
records were pulled from the catalog very early ( I think by 1904)

Erwin




On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Michael Biel <mbiel at mbiel.com> wrote:

> On 8/29/2011 5:00 AM, Erwin Kluwer wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have actually quite a lot of pre 1906 sleeves;
> >
> >
> > 1902 G&T celebrity sleeves of the early Caruso/Battistini/
> Tamgano/Marconi
> > records. (picture/title, etc)
> >
> > 1902 and 1903 Zonopgone sleeves with artist and title
> >
> > Berliner sleeves with artists and titles... etc, etc
> >
> > Erwin
>
> These are not American sleeves, I suppose, except perhaps the Marconi
> sleeve which would be 1907.  All of the examples I have seen from Milan
> and South America with pictures on them seem to date from later in the
> decade, like 1908 or 09.  Zonophone and Berliner were names which were
> still in use later in the first decade in some countries, but if these
> are PRINTED sleeves for early records that were out of the catalog very
> early, that would be more datable in the pre-1906 era,especially if they
> are for 7-inch discs.  The hard Victor sleeves for Tomango and Melba are
> 1906.
>
> I would like to see photos/scans of the one you are discussing.
>
> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Michael Biel<mbiel at mbiel.com>  wrote:
> >
> >> Vertical shelving implies that the round records would be either in
> >> sleeves or albums, otherwise they would roll out.  With one exception I
> >> have not been able to find evidence of sleeves before 1906 -- not even
> >> any mention of how discs were sold, shipped, or stored in the trade
> >> press.  I had expected to find companies offering to sell sleeves to
> >> dealers, but there were only a few mentions of storage albums but not as
> >> early as 1901.  I would LOVE to get ANY info of the existence of disc
> >> sleeves prior to 1906 beyond the one Berliner sleeve in the new Sherman
> >> book.
>
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