[78-L] Chick Webb alternate takes

David Lennick dlennick at sympatico.ca
Wed May 11 14:15:35 PDT 2011

Canadian Decca labels stayed large right through 1945. Never mind that the 
closed groove sometimes ended up under the label.


On 5/11/2011 3:35 PM, Han Enderman wrote:
> I have a few label images of De 1220-A (Webb: You Showed...), but only on the
> Canadian issue the take can be read and it is A.
> There are 3 variants of the U.S. label:
> - 1. Sunburst label. [poss. also A]
> - 2. Block label (not in album).
> - 3. Block label; side 3 of album 138 (Chick Webb), with personnel on label.
> Possibly the takes can be attributed to certain label types.
> On the images it looks if the matrix on the Canadian issue is placed closer to
> the label rim than on the US issues; its distance to the label is ca. the size of
> one digit.
> The distance on the US labels seems to be almost 1.5-2 times the digit size.
> Are Canadian labels larger than the US labels?
> Han Enderman
> ===
>>>> Between Ruppli's Decca discog, Rust, Lord and CD reissues, there are various
> claims as to which take appeared on 78. But now you have confirmation both
> came out on Decca 1220. And could this have been an 8 title session?
> Matrices 62070 and 62071 are by Louis Armstrong with Andy Iona and his
> Islanders and were recorded on the same day and a Dick Robertson session
> with matrices 62074 through 62077 were also recorded on the same day.
> 							NYC, March 24, 1937
> 62064-A	Rusty Hinge (LJ-vcl) (VA-arr)				Dec 1273
> 62065-A	Wake Up And Live (EF, LJ, CL-vcl) (VA-arr)	Dec 1213
> 62066-A	It's Swell Of You (LJ-vcl) (VA-arr)			    -
> 62067-B	You Showed Me The Way (EF-vcl) (VA-arr)		Dec 1220
> 62067-A	You Showed Me The Way (EF-vcl) (VA-arr)	    	    -
> 62068-A	Clap Hands! Here Comes Charley (ES-arr)	          -
> 62069-A	Cryin' Mood (EF-vcl) (VA-arr)				Dec 1273
> 62072-A	Love Is The Thing, So They Say (EF-vcl) (VA-arr)Dec 1356
> 62073-A	That Naughty Waltz (CD-arr)				    -
> Scott Wenzel
> -----------------------
>   I have a spare copy of the Webb A-take in E condition, Canadian pressing.
> Alternate takes often turn up in Canada.
> Lionel Hampton's Hey Ba-Ba-Re-Bop has a couple of differing takes, as I recall,
> but I see only one listed in the Decca books.
> dl
> On 5/10/2011 10:52 PM, Taylor Bowie wrote:
>> Both David and Doug's mentions are more of the nature of jazz records...any
>> dance or swing band sessions come to mind?
>> Taylor
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Lennick"<dlennick at sympatico.ca>
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>>> Yes..Duke Ellington's ST. LOUIS BLUES on Brunswick, with Bing Crosby.
>>> Totally
>>> different arrangements.
>>> dl
>>> On 5/10/2011 8:36 PM, Taylor Bowie wrote:
>>>> The thread about the Reisman alternates reminded me of a very unusual
>>>> example of  different takes.
>>>> It's the Chick Webb Orch. Decca of   "You showed Me The Way."  De 1220.
>>>> master number is 62067 with takes noted as "A" and "B."
>>>> For years,  I've had a trashed copy of Take A...it came out of a suitcase
>>>> of
>>>> records which had belonged to a great uncle of mine who died 12 years
>>>> before
>>>> I was born.  It's a great version,  with a very punchy beginning which
>>>> leads
>>>> into a superb Ella Fitzgerald vocal (about the best of her early sides
>>>> that
>>>> I've heard).
>>>> Finally I was able to get a clean copy on auction...and it turned out to
>>>> be
>>>> Take B...which has an entirely different written introduction.
>>>> Point being that most alernate takes of dance band sides have variations
>>>> on
>>>> solos or maybe tiny changes in the chart...but these two takes (recorded
>>>> the
>>>> same day) are totally different at the start.
>>>> Anyone know of similar cases of dance band records where there is a
>>>> radical
>>>> difference between takes  in the arrangement,  and not just in solo work?
>>>> I'm not talking about something like a Lanin where he did variations on
>>>> the
>>>> same chart for different labels on different days.
>>>> I'm still looking for a clean Take A of the Webb,  which I like a lot
>>>> more
>>>> than the more sedate Take B.
>>>> Taylor
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