[78-L] Goldkette "I Didn't Know" alternate??

[Michael Biel]

On 4/19/2011 5:19 PM, Jeff Sultanof wrote:
>>> Julian Vein responded to my missive:
>>>
>>>>> According to EDVR, the take breakdown of matrix B 31206 is:
>>>>>
>>>>> -1 Destroyed
>>>>> -2 Master (first issued on RCA Victor LPM-2323; no 78 issue)
>>>>> -3 Destroyed
>>>>> -4 Hold
>>>>> -5 Hold
>>>>>
>>>>> If an alternate did actually exist, it would have to be -4 or -5, and
>>>>> Bix isn't on those takes. "Bix--Man And Legend" reports that he was
>>>>> on only the first two takes. (EDVR also states for take 2, "Victor
>>>>> ledgers: 'N. L.'" -- which can only mean "Not Listed.")
>>>> I think what they saying is that they produced two titles, rather than
>>>> two takes of each. The new ADBD only lists take -2.
>>> I'm not quite sure what you mean here, Julian. "They produced two
>>> titles" --? Only one title (of the three cut that day) is being
>>> discussed here, and five takes of it were made.

It might be interesting to find out if metals exist in the vaults for 
takes 4 and 5.  They do have the vaulkt holdings computerized, and maybe 
Vince can have a friend there look these up.

Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com
>>>   The YouTube poster
>>> claimed it was an alternate, but as a US resident I can't view it.
>>> What I'm wondering is only if the video contains an actual alternate
>>> or just the well-known take 2.
>>>
>>> ADBD shows only -2 because that was the only known issued take -- and
>>> that on LP. Had no take at all been issued, the listing would've read
>>> "31206-1-2-3-4-5" and "Vic rejected".
>>>
>>> "I Didn't Know," "I Want To See My Tennessee" and "Remember" were cut
>>> 24 November 1924. (Take 4 of the middle title and Take 3 of the
>>> latter issued on Victor 19548.)
>>>
>>> Take care,
>>>
>>>
>>> Joe

> It sounds like dirt that was imbedded after many years of storage. Or it
> might have been deterioration.
>
> The reason the side was not issued was that Eddie King, who was recording
> supervisor at Victor for that session, hated Bix Beiderbecke's solo style,
> and told Goldkette that he was not to play for the remainder of the session.
> That is why Bix is not on any takes recorded after this one. This comes from
> Dick Sudhalter's book on Beiderbecke. Dick and I discussed this at some
> point.
>
> Ironically, when Bix showed up to the first Whiteman Columbia session, who
> do you think the recording supervisor was? The same Eddie King.
>
> Jeff Sultanof
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Royal Pemberton<ampex354 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> The master that was released on LPM 2323 has a peculiar sound that lasts
>> for
>> about the first 1/3 of the recording, attributed to some kind of defect on
>> the master itself....at least, that is what was stated was the reason it
>> wasn't released on record in the day.  Can anyone here explain what the
>> defect really is?
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:17 PM, J. E. Knox<rojoknox at metroeast.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings from FixitLand!
>>>