[78-L] 14" Pathes and weird noises

[Robert M. Bratcher Jr.]

Phillip, When you get everything transferred I'd love to hear them. Use whatever 
download service you prefer or if you don't mind then please mail them to me on 
CD's with disc info for each recording. Not trying to beg, but they do sound 
interesting!!

Robert M. Bratcher Jr.
P. O. Box 924752
Houston Tx 77292-4752




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From: DanKj <MLK402 at verizon.net>
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Sent: Fri, January 7, 2011 2:13:10 PM
Subject: Re: [78-L] 14" Pathes and weird noises

I wonder if buyers were advised to slow their machines to 68 or 70.  Pathe 
seemed to make a point of using prominently 

mounted, large speed dials on many disc machines; a couple of mine are about 2" 
across - they obviously expected the 

customer to use it.  (Same as the one on this - 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2IoUtImvKE  .. and if one srew is removed 

from the arm rest at the rear, 14" discs can be played on this machine)  Their 
"90-100 tours" note was a bit unhelpful, 

leaving you to guess.

After listening to many transfers of Pathe records, I decided that one of the 
noises was an elevator in their building, 

and that the master cylinders were recorded at (or near) 160rpm.    Early '20s 
Victor records also have low-pitched 

noises - a sort of heavy blowing, brushing, or metal-parts-dragging-heavily 
noise, within the first minute on dozens of 

discs recorded in NYC.  An especially loud example has been claimed to be a 
thunderstorm, but it's the same noise as on the 

others.  Whiteman's "April Showers" has a good example at 4-5 seconds.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Philip Carli" <Philip_Carli at pittsford.monroe.edu>
To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [78-L] 14" Pathes.


> It really is at 68 rpm for the correct pitch; I have a whole stack of things to 
>transfer next week and will try to include 
>
> those two sides.
>
> ________________________________________
> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com [78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com] 
>On Behalf Of Robert M. Bratcher Jr. 
>
> [rbratcherjr at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 11:45 AM
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> Subject: Re: [78-L] 14" Pathes.
>
> So which speed did you finally settle on? 68rpm or something faster? I 
wouldn't
> mind hearing mp3's of the 2 sides one day.....
>
>
>
>
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> From: Philip Carli <Philip_Carli at pittsford.monroe.edu>
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 10:23:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [78-L] 14" Pathes.
>
> Well, Coates can be fast -- and I much prefer him to many conductors who 
equate
> "profundity" with "lugubrious" (how slow can you go?) -- but not as fast as 
>this
> was; or several tones above the printed score.  I actually couldn't keep the
> soundbox on the disc at 90!
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[78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com]
> On Behalf Of David Lennick [dlennick at sympatico.ca]
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:54 PM
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> Subject: Re: [78-L] 14" Pathes.
>
> On 1/6/2011 4:36 PM, Philip Carli wrote:
>> I have a 11 1/2" British Pathe from about 1914 of two highly abridged 
>movements
>>from the Tchaikovsky 6th (the first recs. of any part of the work) by the 
Pathe
>>Symphony Orchestra, presumably under Lillian Bryant, and the speed at score
>>pitch is 68 rpm -- honest.  I wondered because when I first got the disc I put
>>it on at 90 and it was unrecognizeable gobbledygook,
>
> No, you thought it was early Albert Coates.
>
>> so I backed it down and down and down...I've never seen anything like it. 
I've
>>been looking for the other disc of this set for years to compare as part of my
>>work on Bryant.  Consistency wasn't a priority at Pathe, it appears...PC
>>
> Some Maurice Chevalier early electricals sound like Mickey Mouse till you 
bring
> them down to about 70, as I recall. And those are from French Columbia.