[78-L] Average age was
Malcolm Smith
malcolms at redshift.com
Fri Nov 12 07:56:00 PST 2010
I started collecting in the early fifties in NY city and at club
meetings it was a mixture of young and old. The collectors who were
old are of course no longer with us and it's probable that many like
myself found we could not get what we collected or simply could not
afford what we collected after about the late sixties when enough
institutions became involved that availability of choice material
dried up. Are we collectors? I would guess there are quite a few of
us who are/were depending on how you look at it.
Malcolm Smith.
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> 5. Re: Average age (David Lennick)
> 6. Re: Average age (was: Jack Palmer) (Malcolm - Venerable Music)
> 7. Re: Joe Guy, was Beiderbecke TV series on BBC (simmonssomer)
> 8. Re: Average age (Don Chichester)
> 9. Re: Joe Guy, was Beiderbecke TV series on BBC (Don Chichester)
> 10. Re: Average age (Kristjan Saag)
> 11. Re: Average age (Michael Biel)
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> 13. Re: Average age (Don Chichester)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:14:26 +0100
> From: Kristjan Saag <saag at telia.com>
> Subject: [78-L] Average age (was: Jack Palmer)
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> Steven C Barr wrote:
>
>> I have no idea what the average age of us 78 collectors (or 78-L in
> general) is...but I expect it is WELL into "senior- citizen-
>> hood"...?! Somewhere out there is some young (now) 78 fan who will
> be, in a few decades or so, the last 78 collector...and thus > wind up
> with all the 78's that don't get "land-filled" by unknowing
> descendants
> who are charged with settling the estates of
>> collectors...?!
>
> ----
>
> Five years ago we made an enquiry on he list; I collected the answers
> and found out that of more than 50 regular contributors, at the time,
> the average age was 55.
> It's probably somewhere between 55-60 now; I don't think there have
> been
> a significant number of younger newcomers since then.
> Jack Palmer was the second oldest at the last count...
> Kristjan
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:17:24 -0800
> From: "Taylor Bowie" <bowiebks at isomedia.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Average age (was: Jack Palmer)
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
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> I personally know three 78 collectors in the Seattle area who are
> under 40.
>
> Taylor
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kristjan Saag" <saag at telia.com>
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 12:14 PM
> Subject: [78-L] Average age (was: Jack Palmer)
>
>
>> Steven C Barr wrote:
>>
>>> I have no idea what the average age of us 78 collectors (or 78-L in
>> general) is...but I expect it is WELL into "senior- citizen-
>>> hood"...?! Somewhere out there is some young (now) 78 fan who will
>> be, in a few decades or so, the last 78 collector...and thus >
>> wind up
>> with all the 78's that don't get "land-filled" by unknowing
>> descendants
>> who are charged with settling the estates of
>>> collectors...?!
>>
>> ----
>>
>> Five years ago we made an enquiry on he list; I collected the answers
>> and found out that of more than 50 regular contributors, at the time,
>> the average age was 55.
>> It's probably somewhere between 55-60 now; I don't think there
>> have been
>> a significant number of younger newcomers since then.
>> Jack Palmer was the second oldest at the last count...
>> Kristjan
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:28:36 -0500
> From: Thatcher Graham <thatcher at mediaguide.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Average age
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> I'm 34, the youngest in most gatherings of collectors.
>
> -- Thatcher Graham
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/11/2010 3:17 PM, Taylor Bowie wrote:
>> I personally know three 78 collectors in the Seattle area who are
>> under 40.
>>
>> Taylor
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kristjan Saag"<saag at telia.com>
>> To: "78-L Mail List"<78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 12:14 PM
>> Subject: [78-L] Average age (was: Jack Palmer)
>>
>>
>>
>>> Steven C Barr wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have no idea what the average age of us 78 collectors (or 78-L in
>>>>
>>> general) is...but I expect it is WELL into "senior- citizen-
>>>
>>>> hood"...?! Somewhere out there is some young (now) 78 fan who will
>>>>
>>> be, in a few decades or so, the last 78 collector...and thus>
>>> wind up
>>> with all the 78's that don't get "land-filled" by unknowing
>>> descendants
>>> who are charged with settling the estates of
>>>
>>>> collectors...?!
>>>>
>>> ----
>>>
>>> Five years ago we made an enquiry on he list; I collected the
>>> answers
>>> and found out that of more than 50 regular contributors, at the
>>> time,
>>> the average age was 55.
>>> It's probably somewhere between 55-60 now; I don't think there
>>> have been
>>> a significant number of younger newcomers since then.
>>> Jack Palmer was the second oldest at the last count...
>>> Kristjan
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 78-L mailing list
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:35:52 -0500
> From: Don Chichester <dnjchi78 at live.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Average age (was: Jack Palmer)
> To: <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
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>
> I'm 77.
>
> Don
>
>> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:14:26 +0100
>> From: saag at telia.com
>> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
>> Subject: [78-L] Average age (was: Jack Palmer)
>>
>> Steven C Barr wrote:
>>
>>> I have no idea what the average age of us 78 collectors (or 78-L in
>> general) is...but I expect it is WELL into "senior- citizen-
>>> hood"...?! Somewhere out there is some young (now) 78 fan who will
>> be, in a few decades or so, the last 78 collector...and thus >
>> wind up
>> with all the 78's that don't get "land-filled" by unknowing
>> descendants
>> who are charged with settling the estates of
>>> collectors...?!
>>
>> ----
>>
>> Five years ago we made an enquiry on he list; I collected the answers
>> and found out that of more than 50 regular contributors, at the time,
>> the average age was 55.
>> It's probably somewhere between 55-60 now; I don't think there
>> have been
>> a significant number of younger newcomers since then.
>> Jack Palmer was the second oldest at the last count...
>> Kristjan
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> 78-L mailing list
>> 78-L at klickitat.78online.com
>> http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:37:49 -0500
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Average age
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
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> Let us know when you're 78.26.
>
> dl
>
> On 11/11/2010 3:35 PM, Don Chichester wrote:
>>
>> I'm 77.
>>
>> Don
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:14:26 +0100
>>> From: saag at telia.com
>>> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
>>> Subject: [78-L] Average age (was: Jack Palmer)
>>>
>>> Steven C Barr wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have no idea what the average age of us 78 collectors (or 78-L in
>>> general) is...but I expect it is WELL into "senior- citizen-
>>>> hood"...?! Somewhere out there is some young (now) 78 fan who will
>>> be, in a few decades or so, the last 78 collector...and thus>
>>> wind up
>>> with all the 78's that don't get "land-filled" by unknowing
>>> descendants
>>> who are charged with settling the estates of
>>>> collectors...?!
>>>
>>> ----
>>>
>>> Five years ago we made an enquiry on he list; I collected the
>>> answers
>>> and found out that of more than 50 regular contributors, at the
>>> time,
>>> the average age was 55.
>>> It's probably somewhere between 55-60 now; I don't think there
>>> have been
>>> a significant number of younger newcomers since then.
>>> Jack Palmer was the second oldest at the last count...
>>> Kristjan
>>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:45:17 -0500
> From: "Malcolm - Venerable Music" <malcolm at venerablemusic.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Average age (was: Jack Palmer)
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <00b701cb81e1$5af8a360$6801a8c0 at VENMAIN>
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>
> I'm 38 & have developed into a serious collector. I started about 4
> 1/2
> years ago and have since acquired 25,000+ 78s. Give me another 4
> years and
> let's see where I'm at - ha!
> I have 5-6 friends who are right around my age and are also
> serious. I think
> one of them acquired at least part of Jack Palmer's collection as I
> remember
> him asking me which Dalhart's I needed 2-3 years ago (and I think he
> mentioned it was a lot of Jack's records).
>
> I also have a few friends in their early 20s who are developing
> into serious
> collectors. The thing is many of them can not afford to regularly
> compete on
> ebay or even the vmauctions site - but they are out junking (and
> turning
> stuff up) most weekends! I know of one who routinely reads 78-l
> (and the
> ARSC list - hi Mike!), but is still learning (much like myself) and
> just
> doesn't have a whole lot to contribute.
>
> As these folks age and become experienced, I'm sure they will take
> the place
> of many collectors that are leaving us. Four and half years ago, I
> never
> wanted to spend more than $2 on a record. Now it seems like
> everything I
> want is at least $50! I also spend as much time as I can soaking up
> information & knowledge from other collectors so someday I can pass
> it on as
> well.
>
> These records will always be desired and collected, I'm sure of it.
> At some
> point in my lifetime, I do believe that it will become near
> impossible to
> junk records with any frequency. Those of you who were collecting
> in the 50s
> and 60s (or even the 70s) may feel like that time has already come,
> but it
> still is possible to turn up great records. It just takes a lot of
> pre-work
> trying to find the folks that have them - you can't just blindly drive
> around (you can, but you'll waste a lot of time).
>
> So, in the future, it may be an even tougher hobby to get started
> with, but
> some people just have it in the blood. Personally, I don't have a
> choice - I
> compelled to buy and sell records and begin to feel twitchy if I go
> to long
> without buying or finding something!
>
> Malcolm in GA
>
> Venerable Music - http://www.venerablemusic.com/
> 78rpm Auctions - http://www.vmauctions.com/
> Venerable Radio - http://www.venerableradio.com
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Taylor Bowie" <bowiebks at isomedia.com>
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 3:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Average age (was: Jack Palmer)
>
>
>> I personally know three 78 collectors in the Seattle area who are
>> under 40.
>>
>> Taylor
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kristjan Saag" <saag at telia.com>
>> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 12:14 PM
>> Subject: [78-L] Average age (was: Jack Palmer)
>>
>>
>>> Steven C Barr wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have no idea what the average age of us 78 collectors (or 78-L in
>>> general) is...but I expect it is WELL into "senior- citizen-
>>>> hood"...?! Somewhere out there is some young (now) 78 fan who will
>>> be, in a few decades or so, the last 78 collector...and thus >
>>> wind up
>>> with all the 78's that don't get "land-filled" by unknowing
>>> descendants
>>> who are charged with settling the estates of
>>>> collectors...?!
>>>
>>> ----
>>>
>>> Five years ago we made an enquiry on he list; I collected the
>>> answers
>>> and found out that of more than 50 regular contributors, at the
>>> time,
>>> the average age was 55.
>>> It's probably somewhere between 55-60 now; I don't think there
>>> have been
>>> a significant number of younger newcomers since then.
>>> Jack Palmer was the second oldest at the last count...
>>> Kristjan
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 78-L mailing list
>>> 78-L at klickitat.78online.com
>>> http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:55:19 -0500
> From: "simmonssomer" <simmonssomer at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Joe Guy, was Beiderbecke TV series on BBC
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <AC994DA9EB274754BD79D1420BAE2421 at simmonssomerPC>
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> reply-type=original
>
> It was Monk with Joe Guy , Kenny Clarke, Don Byas on "I Can't Give
> You
> Anything But Love"; "Rhythm Riff" "Nice Work If You Can Get
> It".that I know
> of.
> It was Ken Kersey with Guy and Byas on "Kerouac, Exactly Like You and
> "Indiana."
> On"Topsy" it was Monk, Charlie Christian and Joe Guy.
> Fortunately, many of these broadcasts from Minton's were recorded by
> Columbia University's pioneer FM station from whose facilities
> these b'casts
> originated.. Call letters now WKCR, but I believe that in Fall of
> 1941 this
> station, the first FM station in the country (if I'm nnot
> mistaken ), had
> call letters with an X in there somewhere as it was "experimental."
> Anyway in the fall of 1941 these extensive b'casts featured the "Joe
> Guy-Kenny Clarke Band " featuring Thelonious Monk. The bassistt was
> Nick
> Fenton.
> All still in the WKCR archives and are played once in a while by Phil
> Schaap. I have the titles on some of these b'casts for anyone
> researching
> the birth of the Bop period.
>
> Al Simmons
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Lewis" <uncledavelewis at hotmail.com>
> To: "78-l" <78-l at 78online.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 9:34 AM
> Subject: [78-L] Joe Guy, was Beiderbecke TV series on BBC
>
>
>>
>> Dan Van Landingham wrote:
>>
>> [Joe} Guy and [Billie] Holiday were together when she went to
>> prison in
>> 1947.Guy appearantly led her 1945 big band.He vanished after
>> 1947;I don't
>> know what ever became of him.The only recorded work I ever heard
>> by him
>> was Cootie Williams' 1942 Columbia recording of "Fly Right" a/k/a
>> "Epistrophy" which was unissued until 1966(on the Columbia LP "The
>> Sound
>> of Harlem" according to Ira Gitler)
>>
>>>>>>
>> Joe Guy is one of the trumpets in the jam band led by Charlie
>> Christian in
>> the Minton's Playhouse recordings made by Jerry Newman in 1941.
>> Lips Page
>> is one of the other trumpets, but from what I understand it is Guy
>> that
>> plays the majority of the solos in those sessions. If so, he was a
>> very
>> good player in the swing style. I have never encountered information
>> indicating what happened to him either.
>>
>> It is also said that Thelonious Monk is the pianist on some sides,
>> though
>> this is disputed. To my ears, the pianist said to be Monk doesn't
>> sound
>> anything like him, even bearing in mind that in 1941 he is also
>> said to
>> have sounded more like Teddy Wilson than his mature self.
>>
>> Uncle Dave Lewis
>> uncledavelewis at hotmail.com
>>
>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:59:22 -0500
> From: Don Chichester <dnjchi78 at live.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Average age
> To: <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <COL103-W1580219DCA6EB0D5BD9429AE320 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> Sorry, I was born not far from Camden.
>
> Don
>
>> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:37:49 -0500
>> From: dlennick at sympatico.ca
>> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Average age
>>
>> Let us know when you're 78.26.
>>
>> dl
>>
>> On 11/11/2010 3:35 PM, Don Chichester wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm 77.
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>>> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:14:26 +0100
>>>> From: saag at telia.com
>>>> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
>>>> Subject: [78-L] Average age (was: Jack Palmer)
>>>>
>>>> Steven C Barr wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have no idea what the average age of us 78 collectors (or 78-
>>>>> L in
>>>> general) is...but I expect it is WELL into "senior- citizen-
>>>>> hood"...?! Somewhere out there is some young (now) 78 fan who will
>>>> be, in a few decades or so, the last 78 collector...and thus>
>>>> wind up
>>>> with all the 78's that don't get "land-filled" by unknowing
>>>> descendants
>>>> who are charged with settling the estates of
>>>>> collectors...?!
>>>>
>>>> ----
>>>>
>>>> Five years ago we made an enquiry on he list; I collected the
>>>> answers
>>>> and found out that of more than 50 regular contributors, at the
>>>> time,
>>>> the average age was 55.
>>>> It's probably somewhere between 55-60 now; I don't think there
>>>> have been
>>>> a significant number of younger newcomers since then.
>>>> Jack Palmer was the second oldest at the last count...
>>>> Kristjan
>>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> 78-L mailing list
>> 78-L at klickitat.78online.com
>> http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:04:29 -0500
> From: Don Chichester <dnjchi78 at live.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Joe Guy, was Beiderbecke TV series on BBC
> To: <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <COL103-W15FF7611E5D8626FFC2ACFAE320 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> W2XMN, Alpine, NJ. Major Edwin H. Armstrong's experimental FM
> station, now owned by Columbia University, NYC.
>
> Don
>
>> From: simmonssomer at comcast.net
>> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
>> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:55:19 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Joe Guy, was Beiderbecke TV series on BBC
>>
>> It was Monk with Joe Guy , Kenny Clarke, Don Byas on "I Can't Give
>> You
>> Anything But Love"; "Rhythm Riff" "Nice Work If You Can Get
>> It".that I know
>> of.
>> It was Ken Kersey with Guy and Byas on "Kerouac, Exactly Like You and
>> "Indiana."
>> On"Topsy" it was Monk, Charlie Christian and Joe Guy.
>> Fortunately, many of these broadcasts from Minton's were recorded by
>> Columbia University's pioneer FM station from whose facilities
>> these b'casts
>> originated.. Call letters now WKCR, but I believe that in Fall of
>> 1941 this
>> station, the first FM station in the country (if I'm nnot
>> mistaken ), had
>> call letters with an X in there somewhere as it was "experimental."
>> Anyway in the fall of 1941 these extensive b'casts featured the "Joe
>> Guy-Kenny Clarke Band " featuring Thelonious Monk. The bassistt
>> was Nick
>> Fenton.
>> All still in the WKCR archives and are played once in a while by Phil
>> Schaap. I have the titles on some of these b'casts for anyone
>> researching
>> the birth of the Bop period.
>>
>> Al Simmons
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Lewis" <uncledavelewis at hotmail.com>
>> To: "78-l" <78-l at 78online.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 9:34 AM
>> Subject: [78-L] Joe Guy, was Beiderbecke TV series on BBC
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Dan Van Landingham wrote:
>>>
>>> [Joe} Guy and [Billie] Holiday were together when she went to
>>> prison in
>>> 1947.Guy appearantly led her 1945 big band.He vanished after
>>> 1947;I don't
>>> know what ever became of him.The only recorded work I ever heard
>>> by him
>>> was Cootie Williams' 1942 Columbia recording of "Fly Right" a/k/a
>>> "Epistrophy" which was unissued until 1966(on the Columbia LP
>>> "The Sound
>>> of Harlem" according to Ira Gitler)
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> Joe Guy is one of the trumpets in the jam band led by Charlie
>>> Christian in
>>> the Minton's Playhouse recordings made by Jerry Newman in 1941.
>>> Lips Page
>>> is one of the other trumpets, but from what I understand it is
>>> Guy that
>>> plays the majority of the solos in those sessions. If so, he was
>>> a very
>>> good player in the swing style. I have never encountered information
>>> indicating what happened to him either.
>>>
>>> It is also said that Thelonious Monk is the pianist on some
>>> sides, though
>>> this is disputed. To my ears, the pianist said to be Monk doesn't
>>> sound
>>> anything like him, even bearing in mind that in 1941 he is also
>>> said to
>>> have sounded more like Teddy Wilson than his mature self.
>>>
>>> Uncle Dave Lewis
>>> uncledavelewis at hotmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 78-L mailing list
>>> 78-L at klickitat.78online.com
>>> http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:12:32 +0100
> From: Kristjan Saag <saag at telia.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Average age
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <4CDC5C40.4060500 at telia.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> As for younger collectors of 78's...
> I'm not at all surprised that some kids in their 20's start
> collecting.
> Because never in history has old and new music been so readily
> available, side by side, at the same place, nicely packaged, perfectly
> possible to run across at random.
> I'm thinking about youtube where thousands of 78's spin on turntables,
> sometimes accompanied by tasteful, intelligent, amorous pictures or
> movies; I'm thinking about i-tunes and Spotify and Allmusic where you
> search for a title and get a list of recordings made any time between
> 1890 and now; some of these engines don't even have a filter to
> sort out
> old or new recordings. All of them offer music samples or whole tunes.
> Millions of kids are confronted with vintage recordings attractively
> exposed - one in a thousand perhaps gets the idea: hey, I'd like to
> try
> that myself!
> We should be happy about this.
> That wouldn't have happened without the digital revolution - that's a
> paradox, but true, nevertheless.
> Kristjan
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:23:03 -0700
> From: "Michael Biel" <mbiel at mbiel.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Average age
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID:
> <20101111142303.b192746a6fddb703927f95bcf5fd261f.
> 4a58e90cd0.wbe at email00.secureserver.net>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> If you check the response letters to these postings you will see that
> although many are from old codgers like us, there are often some from
> kids who are amazed at the stuff. Hopefully they will get
> attracted to
> them like all of us did when we were kids. Of course they can get the
> audio thru downloads and CDs (if they collect those) but maybe they
> will
> see by looking at the images that the records themselves are fun.
>
> Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> From: Kristjan Saag <saag at telia.com>
>
> As for younger collectors of 78's...
> I'm not at all surprised that some kids in their 20's start
> collecting.
> Because never in history has old and new music been so readily
> available, side by side, at the same place, nicely packaged, perfectly
> possible to run across at random.
>
>
> I'm thinking about youtube where thousands of 78's spin on turntables,
> sometimes accompanied by tasteful, intelligent, amorous pictures or
> movies; I'm thinking about i-tunes and Spotify and Allmusic where you
> search for a title and get a list of recordings made any time between
> 1890 and now; some of these engines don't even have a filter to
> sort out
>
> old or new recordings. All of them offer music samples or whole tunes.
> Millions of kids are confronted with vintage recordings attractively
> exposed - one in a thousand perhaps gets the idea: hey, I'd like to
> try
> that myself!
>
>
> We should be happy about this.
> That wouldn't have happened without the digital revolution - that's a
> paradox, but true, nevertheless.
> Kristjan
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:26:15 -0800
> From: Cary Ginell <soundthink at live.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Average age
> To: <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <BLU142-W14E7BDF4F393D3D7275106B0320 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> I always maintain, that whatever kind of sound quality that you get
> from beautifully restored CDs or MP3s, there is still nothing like
> the aesthetic pleasure of hefting a 78, placing it on your
> turntable, and PLAYING IT - the exact object that was manufactured
> decades ago. This kind of experience is what makes us all
> collectors. It's what makes the magic happen. There is no replacing
> or duplicating it.
>
> Cary Ginell
>
>> From: mbiel at mbiel.com
>> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
>> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:23:03 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Average age
>>
>> If you check the response letters to these postings you will see
>> that
>> although many are from old codgers like us, there are often some from
>> kids who are amazed at the stuff. Hopefully they will get
>> attracted to
>> them like all of us did when we were kids. Of course they can get
>> the
>> audio thru downloads and CDs (if they collect those) but maybe
>> they will
>> see by looking at the images that the records themselves are fun.
>>
>> Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> From: Kristjan Saag <saag at telia.com>
>>
>> As for younger collectors of 78's...
>> I'm not at all surprised that some kids in their 20's start
>> collecting.
>> Because never in history has old and new music been so readily
>> available, side by side, at the same place, nicely packaged,
>> perfectly
>> possible to run across at random.
>>
>>
>> I'm thinking about youtube where thousands of 78's spin on
>> turntables,
>> sometimes accompanied by tasteful, intelligent, amorous pictures or
>> movies; I'm thinking about i-tunes and Spotify and Allmusic where you
>> search for a title and get a list of recordings made any time between
>> 1890 and now; some of these engines don't even have a filter to
>> sort out
>>
>> old or new recordings. All of them offer music samples or whole
>> tunes.
>> Millions of kids are confronted with vintage recordings attractively
>> exposed - one in a thousand perhaps gets the idea: hey, I'd like
>> to try
>> that myself!
>>
>>
>> We should be happy about this.
>> That wouldn't have happened without the digital revolution - that's a
>> paradox, but true, nevertheless.
>> Kristjan
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> 78-L at klickitat.78online.com
>> http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:46:27 -0500
> From: Don Chichester <dnjchi78 at live.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Average age
> To: <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <COL103-W2863435E674514A31E27C8AE320 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> You are SO right, Cary!
>
> Don
>
>> From: soundthink at live.com
>> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
>> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:26:15 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Average age
>>
>>
>> I always maintain, that whatever kind of sound quality that you
>> get from beautifully restored CDs or MP3s, there is still nothing
>> like the aesthetic pleasure of hefting a 78, placing it on your
>> turntable, and PLAYING IT - the exact object that was manufactured
>> decades ago. This kind of experience is what makes us all
>> collectors. It's what makes the magic happen. There is no
>> replacing or duplicating it.
>>
>> Cary Ginell
>>
>>> From: mbiel at mbiel.com
>>> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
>>> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:23:03 -0700
>>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Average age
>>>
>>> If you check the response letters to these postings you will see
>>> that
>>> although many are from old codgers like us, there are often some
>>> from
>>> kids who are amazed at the stuff. Hopefully they will get
>>> attracted to
>>> them like all of us did when we were kids. Of course they can get
>>> the
>>> audio thru downloads and CDs (if they collect those) but maybe
>>> they will
>>> see by looking at the images that the records themselves are fun.
>>>
>>> Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> From: Kristjan Saag <saag at telia.com>
>>>
>>> As for younger collectors of 78's...
>>> I'm not at all surprised that some kids in their 20's start
>>> collecting.
>>> Because never in history has old and new music been so readily
>>> available, side by side, at the same place, nicely packaged,
>>> perfectly
>>> possible to run across at random.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm thinking about youtube where thousands of 78's spin on
>>> turntables,
>>> sometimes accompanied by tasteful, intelligent, amorous pictures or
>>> movies; I'm thinking about i-tunes and Spotify and Allmusic where
>>> you
>>> search for a title and get a list of recordings made any time
>>> between
>>> 1890 and now; some of these engines don't even have a filter to
>>> sort out
>>>
>>> old or new recordings. All of them offer music samples or whole
>>> tunes.
>>> Millions of kids are confronted with vintage recordings attractively
>>> exposed - one in a thousand perhaps gets the idea: hey, I'd like
>>> to try
>>> that myself!
>>>
>>>
>>> We should be happy about this.
>>> That wouldn't have happened without the digital revolution -
>>> that's a
>>> paradox, but true, nevertheless.
>>> Kristjan
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 78-L mailing list
>>> 78-L at klickitat.78online.com
>>> http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> 78-L mailing list
>> 78-L at klickitat.78online.com
>> http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:49:29 -0500
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Average age
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP92E173F10985D50656853BD320 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed
>
> I believe Sammy Jones is under 30. And he collects transcriptions!
>
> dl
>
> On 11/11/2010 4:46 PM, Don Chichester wrote:
>>
>> You are SO right, Cary!
>>
>> Don
>>
>>> From: soundthink at live.com
>>> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
>>> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:26:15 -0800
>>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Average age
>>>
>>>
>>> I always maintain, that whatever kind of sound quality that you
>>> get from beautifully restored CDs or MP3s, there is still nothing
>>> like the aesthetic pleasure of hefting a 78, placing it on your
>>> turntable, and PLAYING IT - the exact object that was
>>> manufactured decades ago. This kind of experience is what makes
>>> us all collectors. It's what makes the magic happen. There is no
>>> replacing or duplicating it.
>>>
>>> Cary Ginell
>>>
>>>> From: mbiel at mbiel.com
>>>> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
>>>> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:23:03 -0700
>>>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Average age
>>>>
>>>> If you check the response letters to these postings you will see
>>>> that
>>>> although many are from old codgers like us, there are often some
>>>> from
>>>> kids who are amazed at the stuff. Hopefully they will get
>>>> attracted to
>>>> them like all of us did when we were kids. Of course they can
>>>> get the
>>>> audio thru downloads and CDs (if they collect those) but maybe
>>>> they will
>>>> see by looking at the images that the records themselves are fun.
>>>>
>>>> Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> From: Kristjan Saag<saag at telia.com>
>>>>
>>>> As for younger collectors of 78's...
>>>> I'm not at all surprised that some kids in their 20's start
>>>> collecting.
>>>> Because never in history has old and new music been so readily
>>>> available, side by side, at the same place, nicely packaged,
>>>> perfectly
>>>> possible to run across at random.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm thinking about youtube where thousands of 78's spin on
>>>> turntables,
>>>> sometimes accompanied by tasteful, intelligent, amorous pictures or
>>>> movies; I'm thinking about i-tunes and Spotify and Allmusic
>>>> where you
>>>> search for a title and get a list of recordings made any time
>>>> between
>>>> 1890 and now; some of these engines don't even have a filter to
>>>> sort out
>>>>
>>>> old or new recordings. All of them offer music samples or whole
>>>> tunes.
>>>> Millions of kids are confronted with vintage recordings
>>>> attractively
>>>> exposed - one in a thousand perhaps gets the idea: hey, I'd like
>>>> to try
>>>> that myself!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We should be happy about this.
>>>> That wouldn't have happened without the digital revolution -
>>>> that's a
>>>> paradox, but true, nevertheless.
>>>> Kristjan
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:29:42 -0500
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: [78-L] Mercury date needed
> To: 78L <78-L at 78online.com>
> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP28C9A8DF3B80952B069DFCBD320 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed
>
> Recording dates and release date needed for Mercury SR 90282,
> Schuller's 7
> STUDIES ON THEMES OF PAUL KLEE b/w Paul Fetler's CONTRASTS FOR
> ORCHESTRA.
> Dorati & Minneapolis Symphony. Anyone have Hunt's Dorati
> discography or the
> pertinent volume of the Mercury books?
>
> Thanks!
> dl
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:49:25 -0500
> From: Donna Halper <dlh at donnahalper.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Average age
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <20101111224841.7A25C70E67 at klickitat.78online.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> I would imagine that like stamp collecting, most 78 collectors are
> baby boomers or older, since they are the ones who probably grew up
> in homes that had 78s or where they were encouraged to have a hobby
> like stamp collecting.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:57:21 -0700
> From: "Michael Biel" <mbiel at mbiel.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Average age
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID:
> <20101111155721.b192746a6fddb703927f95bcf5fd261f.
> 512f523ffa.wbe at email00.secureserver.net>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> From: Donna Halper <dlh at donnahalper.com>
>> I would imagine that like stamp collecting, most 78 collectors are
>> baby boomers or older, since they are the ones who probably grew up
>> in homes that had 78s or where they were encouraged to have a hobby
>> like stamp collecting.
>
> Stamp collectors have also noted the lack of young stamp collectors.
> They don't see stamps anymore. In fact, they don't see MAIL
> anymore!!!!
>
> Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:59:34 -0800 (PST)
> From: Randy Watts <rew1014 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Urania question
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <372478.92520.qm at web31810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Yes, there was a stereo issue. USD-1034.
>
> Randy
>
> --- On Thu, 11/11/10, David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if there was a
>> stereo issue of Urania UX 134 (UR 134 on label
>> and back of jacket), percussion music conducted by Robert
>> Craft and Paul Price?
>> Antheil, LoPresti, Chavez, Hovhaness. Issued on late 1959,
>> according to ARLD,
>> but not in Schwann for December 1960, which is odd (unless
>> Urania had vanished
>> for a while, which is possible..Urania isn't in the Schwann
>> price list that month).
>>
>> dl
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:01:06 -0500
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Average age
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP47EB7C0E972C3AFA498DBFBD320 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed
>
> On 11/11/2010 5:57 PM, Michael Biel wrote:
>> From: Donna Halper<dlh at donnahalper.com>
>>> I would imagine that like stamp collecting, most 78 collectors are
>>> baby boomers or older, since they are the ones who probably grew up
>>> in homes that had 78s or where they were encouraged to have a hobby
>>> like stamp collecting.
>>
>> Stamp collectors have also noted the lack of young stamp collectors.
>> They don't see stamps anymore. In fact, they don't see MAIL
>> anymore!!!!
>>
>> Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com
>>
>
> Speaking of things not seen anymore, did anyone notice the two
> dollar bills in
> one of the envelopes sent to the Prohibition Enforcement guy in
> "Boardwalk
> Empire" this past Sunday?
>
> And in the preview to next week's Detroit 187, there was a definite
> shot with
> what looks like a Brunswick phonograph (missing its grill) in the
> background.
>
> dl
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:02:02 -0500
> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Urania question
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP20EE124369DAB86717D830BD320 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed
>
> At the time, or when Urania was revived?
>
> dl
>
> On 11/11/2010 5:59 PM, Randy Watts wrote:
>> Yes, there was a stereo issue. USD-1034.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> --- On Thu, 11/11/10, David Lennick<dlennick at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know if there was a
>>> stereo issue of Urania UX 134 (UR 134 on label
>>> and back of jacket), percussion music conducted by Robert
>>> Craft and Paul Price?
>>> Antheil, LoPresti, Chavez, Hovhaness. Issued on late 1959,
>>> according to ARLD,
>>> but not in Schwann for December 1960, which is odd (unless
>>> Urania had vanished
>>> for a while, which is possible..Urania isn't in the Schwann
>>> price list that month).
>>>
>>> dl
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 23:01:53 GMT
> From: "zimrec at juno.com" <zimrec at juno.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] 78-L Digest, Vol 26, Issue 23
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Message-ID: <20101111.180153.2242.0 at webmail18.dca.untd.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:24:18 +0000
> From: agp <agp2176 at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Jerry's Records - Pittsburgh (was New Member)
> To: 78-L Mail List <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20101111152344.071941c0 at verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
> Well --- I've been posting bits and bobs about my monthly shopping
> adventures at Whistlin' WIllie's since March -- but I guess no one
> reads my posts :-(
>
> Willie's is not in Penn Hills, but rather in the Squirrel Hill
> neighbourhood of Pittsburgh. The both share a common entrance off
> Murray Avenue. When you get to the top of the stairs, Jerry's is on
> the left and Willie's is on the right.
>
> I was just there in mid-October and everything was status quo in as
> much as the stores being separate.
>
> I usually walk out 30 to 40 bucks lighter and 20 78s heavier.
>
> T
>
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> Yes, my error. I knew it was Squirrel Hill but accidentally wrote
> Penn Hills
> which was where, until a few months ago, my niece lived.
>
> Since it was Jerry who called me and mentioned a change in the
> arrangement
> with his son, I'd appreciate if Bryan would ask Jerry what that was
> all about.
> Possibly it is that Willie's no longer is operated as a separate
> financial entity
> but remains physically where it was.
>
> I'm curious to know if the antique store at the corner across
> street is still there.
> In 1995, I bought 5 large cartons of sheet music there and had it
> shipped back
> to NY because I had no room in my van considering all the CDs I
> brought to
> sell at the Ellington conference and that I was returning to NY
> with 3 other
> passengers and their luggage.
>
> Art
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> Mortgage Rates Hit 3.25%
> If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4cdc765329378192d01st05duc
>
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