[78-L] 78 Album Sets outside the US & Canada [FWD]

Mike Harkin xxm.harkin at yahoo.com
Sat Jul 31 23:12:26 PDT 2010 

There are several 2 record 'sets' of recordings by Piero Coppola from the early 30's, first issued by V as two loose discs, later renumbered as sets
in the 300's and 700's.  Mostly Debussy, IIRC.

Mike in Plovdiv 

--- On Sat, 7/31/10, David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca> wrote:

> From: David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] 78 Album Sets outside the US & Canada
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Date: Saturday, July 31, 2010, 6:46 PM
> 
> I just came across an album I'd been using for years for
> Isham Jones records and noticed the front cover.."MY RECORD
> BOOK OF SONGS AND STORIES on VICTOR AND BLUEBIRD Records". 5
> pockets, fill 'em yourself. Full color illustration with
> your standard Mother Goose and storybook characters, but boy
> does Jack look lascivious pulling Jill up the hill, and
> Little Black Sambo is wearing a red blouse open to the
> pippick and a blue culotte and has just done his nails and
> is pigeon-toed but has great legs and is definitely going to
> need therapy if the tiger doesn't do him a favor.
> 
> dl
>  
> > From: dlennick at sympatico.ca
> > To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> > Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 14:22:56 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [78-L] 78 Album Sets outside the US &
> Canada
> > 
> > 
> > An odd thing about Victor..they couldn't get around
> the idea of a classical work that required only two discs
> being in an album. I don't know if there were exceptions,
> but every one I've seen through the 20s and 30s has been a
> pair of single discs..they may have begun putting older
> titles in albums (with late catalog numbers) around 1940,
> maybe when they started repackaging every set in Drop Auto
> sequence. And US Decca put out many sets from English Decca
> and Parlophone in the budget 25000 series, but without
> albums as far as I know. (Victor DID put some 2-disc works
> into albums, but in combination with other works, such as
> Ibert's Divertissement coupled with MacDowell's 2nd Piano
> Concerto.)
> > 
> > dl
> > 
> > > Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 13:23:17 -0400
> > > From: mbiel at mbiel.com
> > > To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> > > Subject: Re: [78-L] 78 Album Sets outside the US
> & Canada
> > > 
> > > I covered a lot of the history of albums in my
> ARSC presentation that 
> > > will eventually be on their website "The
> Illustrated Album Cover Before 
> > > Steinweiss." The Europeans were doing classical
> album sets long before 
> > > we did in the U.S., before 1910 in fact. In 1917
> HMV started to have 
> > > beautifully illustrated covers on their operetta
> sets, but by the 
> > > mid-20s these and all their other sets were
> packaged in embossed 
> > > leatherette-like fine library-edition albums. It
> was only in 1924 when 
> > > Columbia, then Victor and later Brunswick started
> doing classical sets. 
> > > Prior to that time (and occasionally even
> afterwards) multi-disc works 
> > > were sold as individual discs.
> > > 
> > > The concept of popular music in album sets was
> not immediately apparent 
> > > because single records fit the format better.
> Victor did have several 
> > > short-lived thematic albums in 1926 for Mother's
> Day, Christmas, and the 
> > > public intro to Orthophonic, and they also
> instituted the C- album 
> > > series with composer sets like Victor Herbert,
> Stephen Foster, etc. We 
> > > are still looking for the catalog details of the
> Jimmie Rodgers album 
> > > they put out around 1932. Both American and
> British Brunswick had 
> > > beautifully designed albums in 1932 for the
> revivals of Showboat and 
> > > Blackbirds [of 1928], and the British also
> started issuing jazz 
> > > compilations, sometimes in limited subscription
> editions. They really 
> > > had the idea of pop albums going before the U.S.
> did. The Bix 
> > > Beiderbecke memorial on Victor and the Bessie
> Smith memorial on Columbia 
> > > started things happening in the U.S. as general
> record sales picked up 
> > > in 36 and 37. These were reissues, but then some
> labels started doing 
> > > new recordings in album sets, Benny Goodman on
> Victor, Artie Shaw on 
> > > Bluebird, Kostalantz on Brunswick, Boogie Woogie
> on Vocalion, along with 
> > > numerous albums by Liberty Music Shop, Musicraft,
> and others in 37 and 
> > > 38 were topped by the Decca Album series which
> started at the end of 
> > > 1937 and hit 100 albums by the end of 1939.
> > > 
> > > British Brunswick and British Decca started their
> popular album series 
> > > in mid-1939 both borrowing from and giving ideas
> to American Decca. It 
> > > was only AFTER all this that American Columbia
> picked up on the album 
> > > set idea and started their red label popular
> series at C-11 in late 
> > > March/early April 1940 with Steinweiss's first
> cover after almost 200 
> > > illustrated covers on other labels had led the
> way. The war did 
> > > restrict the British record industry in general,
> but I think album sets 
> > > did continue although a lot of classical works
> were once again being 
> > > sold as individual discs. From what I see of
> post-war British sets 
> > > imported into the U.S., in just about all cases
> the discs were imported 
> > > and the album books themselves were manufactured
> in the U.S. This also 
> > > was the case of a lot of the British LPs. It was
> cheaper to make the 
> > > albums in the U.S. than to ship all that paper
> and cardboard, so only 
> > > the discs were shipped.
> > > 
> > > Since The Gramophone magazine is available
> on-line, that is the best 
> > > source for info on how records were packaged in
> England in the 30s and 
> > > war years. And our own Geoffrey Wheeler has done
> a good job documenting 
> > > the growth of the jazz albums in his books "Jazz
> by Mail", and 
> > > "Collectors Guide to Jazz on Bootleg &
> Reissue 78 RPM Records 1932-1952" 
> > > (although he does have a bug as to whether
> Columbia has a legitimate 
> > > claim to any ARC and earlier masters,, and calls
> a lot of their reissues 
> > > "bootlegs"!)
> > > 
> > > Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 7/31/2010 11:21 AM, Jeff Sultanof wrote:
> > > > In fact, the first Ted Heath sides issued in
> the US consisted of The London
> > > > Suite, a set of three 10" 78s of themes
> written by Fats Waller. The liner
> > > > notes clearly state this. This was issued
> here in 1948.
> > > >
> > > > I can also attest that at least some of the
> albums themselves were printed
> > > > here. I once had the Carousel original cast
> set, and discovered that there
> > > > was another cover below the Carousel cover.
> Curiosity got the best of me, so
> > > > I tore the Carousel cover off to discover
> the cover to an album of Ansermet
> > > > and the Suisse Romande performing
> Stravinsky's Petrouchka.
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Sultanof
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:58 AM, David
> Lennick<dlennick at sympatico.ca>wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I'm not sure about album sets of popular
> music in Europe, although there
> > > >> were some jazz compilations issued in
> the 30s and the Brunswick Showboat
> > > >> album was definitely issued as such (I
> have it), but classical album sets
> > > >> were definitely marketed in Europe and
> the UK, probably before the idea
> > > >> caught on in the States. During the 40s
> there was a serious restriction on
> > > >> the material used to make albums, and
> sets were sold without them as late as
> > > >> 1950 I believe. London and Deutsche
> Grammophon album sets were definitely
> > > >> imported into North America in the late
> 40s, although the albums themselves
> > > >> were probably manufactured in the
> States. London sets included Ted Heath,
> > > >> George Shearing, Ambrose, Harry Roy,
> plus dozens of classical works.
> > > >>
> > > >> dl
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
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