[78-L] Columbia sublabels [was MGM-Supertone connection?]

[David Lennick]

For the time being I'll defer to those with better info and label scans..it might be days or months or eons before I actually find both discs to compare, as well as the Harmony to see whether it's as the Golden Gate Orchestra or California Ramblers (who were, after all, the same orchestra).

 

dl
 
> From: jcenderman at solcon.nl
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 15:11:24 +0200
> Subject: [78-L] Columbia sublabels [was MGM-Supertone connection?]
> 
> Probably here is the solution to the "dulication" of 1047-P:
> 
> These titles (Painting/TipToe) were issued on SR 1047-P, 1074-P acc. to new ADBD.
> Label names not given, but SR 1047-P is Publix, and 1074-P is M-G-M.
> So David has them both, but with a different cat.nr (and has a pleasant evening to check and confirm this).
> Label images of both are available.
> Label of M-G-M 1074-P has credit The CAPITOLIANS; Publix 1047-P = The Paramounteers.
> 
> Remains my question why the movie was shown in both theatre circuits (repeated here):
> One thing is not clear to me, concerning these movie theatres.
> Sutton-Nauck state (ARLC p130) that this M-G-M label was mfd by Columbia 
> "for theater lobby sales at Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer film showings.... The records
> plugged songs from M-G-M films...".
> Publix was (p172) "for sale in Publix Theater lobbies at Paramount Pictures showings".
> Publix label says 'Painting The Clouds With Sunshine' is from The Gold Diggers of Broadway.
> Was this film shown in both movie theatre chains?
> Publix label logo mentions "Paramount Pictures"; M-G-M labels mention Loew's Theatres.
> Many M-G-Ms are by "The Capitolians, Capitol Theatre, N.Y.C."
> 
> Han Enderman
> ===
> >>> The New ADBD shows it as a California Ramblers session of June 6, 1929
> 
> 148662-1-2 Sleepy Valley Har rejected
> 148663-1-3 Painting The Clouds With Sunshine Har 947-H, Diva 2947-G, VT 
> 1947-V, SR 1047-P, 1074-P
> 148664-1-2 Tip-Toe Thru' The Tulips same issues
> 1047-P as The Paramounteers, 1074-P as The Capitolians. No mention of 
> Golden Gate Orchestra for Har.
> 
> Julian Vein
> 
> Han Enderman wrote:
> > Publix 1047-P is by THE PARAMOUNTEERS.
> > This name wasn't used, of course, on M-G-M.
> > Label image is not good, but mx of Paintings might be 148663. What is this?
> >
> > 
> > Han Enderman
> > ===
> > To repeat (for the third time, actually)..I have 1047-P on both Publix and Metro Goldwyn Mayer 
> > and both are "Tiptoe Thru the Tulips" b/w "Painting the Clouds with Sunshine", 
> > as The Capitolians on Metro and don't know on Publix since the disc is buried away. 
> > On Harmony it's by the Golden Gate Orchestra. All the same masters. All horrible sounding acousticals
> > (oddly enough, I do have an electrical recording by the same forces of the same songs, on probably a Plaza label). 
> > Not listed in Rust under California Ramblers, for some reason, so I can never remember the name 
> > except when I run across the disc. And it doesn't like being run across.
> > 
> > dl
> > ---
> > From: stevenc at interlinks.net (10:29 PM Eastern)
> > >>have we actually established that all the "private" labels pressed by Columbia
> > >> for various clients were numbered separately, rather than Columbia
> > >> having used a xxxx-P series covering all such labels? Does anyone
> > >> own examples of two such labels using the same -P number for
> > >> different records? There records are rare enough that most of us
> > >> only own a handful of them; this might require ALL of us listing the
> > >> applicable records we own...?! Steven C. Barr
> > 
> >>From images (all suffixed -P):
> > - [Columbia] Special Record 1001/02/03/08/11/12/13/36/77/86.
> > - M-G-M 1010/30/32/33/35/38/73/74/75/76/78/79/81/84/88/90/92/93.
> > - Publix 1015/17/19/23/40/41/47/55/56/58/62/63/65; 2008/19/20.
> > (he)
> > <<<
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