[78-L] Chalking up a "borrowed" song idea (was: Kate Smith stamp)

[Craig Ventresco]

Billy Murray (Victor) and Fred Whitehouse (Olympic?) also recorded "She
Gives Them All the Ha Ha Ha). I wouldn't call Cantor's Emerson material
 trivial....lots of classic stuff.
There is a song called "Bill Was There" from 1905 (American record) sung by
Billy Hines that has a verse about hugging/"chalking" his girlfriend. THere
must be lots of other references to this strange activity, not only in early
songs but also in period skits and comics.

On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Bertrand CHAUMELLE <chaumelle at orange.fr>wrote:

> The older song is trivial (as usual with Cantor material), the newer
> song is poetic. Praise Hayes and Goell instead.
>
> BC
> Le 9 janv. 10, à 05:19, David Lennick a écrit :
>
> >
> > Don'tcha go a-blamin' Hoagy..the song was written by Clancy Hayes and
> > Kermit
> > Goell, and was also a hit for The Old Professor.
> >
> > dl
> >
> > Michael Biel wrote:
> >> I've been trying to figure out who accidentally merged my paragraph
> >> about "She Gave Them All the Ha Ha Ha" with the statement "That's a
> >> line
> >> from "Huggin' And Chalkin" (1946-7)." as if I said it. (Could it have
> >> been  "L78rpm at aol.com" aka "pc" whoever he is??) I didn't add that
> >> sentence because I don't know the later song.  So I checked it out and
> >> it seems that Hoagy Carmichael STOLE the idea from the song I
> >> discussed
> >> that was written and recorded twenty five years  earlier!!  I see it
> >> listed as recorded by Eddie Cantor, but I have it on a Phantasie
> >> Concert
> >> pasteover label (the original might have been a Lyric (?)).
> >>
> >> Hoagy put it in the 40s:
> >>
> >> "You have to take a piece of chalk in your hand
> >> And hug a ways and chalk a mark to see where you began
> >> One day I was a-huggin' and a-chalkin' and a-chalkin' and a-huggin'
> >> away
> >> When I met another fella with some chalk in his hand
> >> A-comin' around the other way over the mountain"
> >>
> >> The older song from 1920 goes:
> >>
> >> "I never get my arms around her,
> >> But one night I tried.
> >> I got three-quarters way around her,
> >> Then I almost died,
> >> For I met another fellow coming 'round the other side,
> >> And she gave us both the Ha Ha Ha,
> >> The Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha."
> >>
> >> So somewhere in the deep recesses of Hoagy's mind was this earlier
> >> song
> >> which he unconsciously stole, er, borrowed from.
> >>
> >> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com
> >>
> >>
> >> mbiel at mbiel.com writes (all but the final line, of course):
> >>
> >> Just before Kate's stardom and during the era of Vaughn DeLeath, there
> >> was a popular song in the 20s "She Gave Them All the Ha Ha Ha" about a
> >> lovable "girl about 5'4" who weighs 200 pounds or more", who when the
> >> singer hugged her "met another fellow coming 'round the other side".
> >> That's a line from "Huggin' And Chalkin" (1946-7).
> >>
> >>
> >> pc
> >>
> >
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