[78-L] Everyone Their Own Picasso ^, (was Marsalis makes the world safe for pure jazz^)

[Kristjan Saag]

Hear, hear!
Kristjan
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "eugene hayhoe" <jazzme48912 at yahoo.com>
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Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 1:29 PM
Subject: [78-L] Everyone Their Own Picasso ^,(was Marsalis makes the world 
safe for pure jazz^)


Well, I've been looking at the art of childre since I was a child, and while 
I'm no Picasso expert, I don't think I've ever been in danger of confusing 
the two; same hold true for Pollack.

Although I'm a drummer, not a saxist, based on the couple of times I've had 
a sax in my mouth, I'd guess that the number of untutored folks, children or 
otherwise, who could randomly pick up a sax and make the sounds that Ayler, 
Coltrane, Shepp, and so forth did is pretty minimal. Just in the areas of 
instrumental tone and pitch range of notes produced alone the minimum chops 
required are going to beat the 'kid,' let alone playing melody lines, etc. 
Anyone who thinks they (Trane, Ayler, Shepp, Coleman) are incompetent should 
check out the recods all of these folks made playing 'standards' and the 
like - they played the way they did by choice, not inability to do anything 
else. I've always thought the way people 'box up' art into a limited thing 
was bizarre.

Further, is an adult artist prohibited from working with themes/motifs/ideas 
which children have interest in or also work in? Is art still governed by 
the laws of outside 'legislators' at this late point in human history?


Gene
--- On Fri, 12/25/09, Steven C. Barr <stevenc at interlinks.net> wrote:


From: Steven C. Barr <stevenc at interlinks.net>
Subject: Re: [78-L] fwd: Marsalis makes the world safe for pure jazz^
To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
Date: Friday, December 25, 2009, 10:33 PM


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Francesco Martinelli" <francesco.martinelli at gmail.com>
> yes... and anybody can paint like Picasso because he puts both eyes on one
> side....
> BUT...this opens a BRAND NEW can of (theoretical) worms!

HOW does one define the (supposed) difference between "abstract"
painters...from Picasso to and through Pollack...and elementary-
school "painters" whose works are NOT accurate representations
of the scene they are trying to portray because they lack both the
training and the fine motor dexterity to be able to PHYSICALLY
create "works of art?!"

How does an UNschooled art lover differentiate between Picasso's
apparent intended inaccuracy...and his/her/its third-grade "artist," who
is (one assumes) trying to create an accurate artistic documentation
of an important event...?! Picasso may have placed both eyes on the
same side in order to make an important artistic statement; however,
little Johnny (3rd grade) does so because he doesn't comprehend
the concept of "perspective" and, in fact, may not view his external
world in that fashion...?!

Comment ca va...?!

Steven C. Barr

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