[78-L] fwd: Marsalis makes the world safe for pure jazz^

[Cary Ginell]

I will try them! Thanks.

Cary

> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:32:34 -0800
> From: wlmoorman3 at yahoo.com
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Subject: Re: [78-L] fwd: Marsalis makes the world safe for pure jazz^
> 
> Cary, you probably know their work already, but try the Pullen-Adams Quartet, who made outside jazz that kept the blues, and the groove. The swing of the blues groove is what I find missing in so many free players.
> Warren 
> 
> --- On Tue, 12/22/09, Cary Ginell <soundthink at live.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Cary Ginell <soundthink at live.com>
> > Subject: Re: [78-L] fwd: Marsalis makes the world safe for pure jazz^
> > To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> > Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 5:27 PM
> > 
> > My main point in my unleashed diatribe is not in denying
> > the Archie Shepps of the world to blast their atonal sounds
> > to the heavens. Its their followers, with their snooty
> > opinion that this is "advanced" jazz and that Dixieland is
> > archaic and backwards that bothers me the most. Last year, I
> > went to the annual Dixieland/New Orleans jazz festival in
> > San Diego and heard the Natural Gas Jazz Band, a group that
> > was inspired by Lu Watters' Yerba Buena Jazz Band. It was
> > the most exciting, joyous concert I had heard in years. And
> > not a pizza in sight. I'm not a moldy figge by any stretch
> > of the imagination. The first jazz I ever loved was the
> > soul-drenched hard bop of the 1960s: Jimmy Smith, Les
> > McCann, Stanley Turrentine, Eddie Harris, etc. The problem I
> > have with the so-called "free jazz" is that it doesn't have
> > the element common to other forms of jazz: a groove. If a
> > Cecil Taylor fan can find a groove in his music, more power
> > to him, but I've sampled quite a bit of it and just do
> >  n't care for it. Maybe I'm not "deep." Maybe I can't see
> > the poetry in Coltrane's late-career squawks. But that's
> > fine. I won't deny them their place in jazz. But I will deny
> > them a place on my shelves. Even so, I won't condemn an
> > entire period without cause. That's why I love Eric Dolphy
> > and the work he did on Coltrane's "Africa Brass" sessions on
> > Impulse. There is some of it that is accessible to someone
> > like me. So I keep listening.
> > 
> > Cary Ginell
> > 
> > > From: mbiel at mbiel.com
> > > To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> > > Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:53:25 -0700
> > > Subject: Re: [78-L] fwd: Marsalis makes the world safe
> > for pure jazz^
> > > 
> > > From: eugene hayhoe <jazzme48912 at yahoo.com>
> > > > . . . 'repertory' music (that is 'recreative'
> > music ) is to me generally
> > > > kind of dull (like much of Marsalis' work), as
> > often, I've already heard
> > > > it before, even when the 'record' is new. 
> > > 
> > > Good point, but not everyone want to constantly hear
> > new and different
> > > and unfamiliar and strange.  Part of the
> > attraction of records is the
> > > ability to repeat the old and same and familiar and
> > comfortable.  I tend
> > > to go towards melodic, which is why I don't like the
> > Coltrane we've been
> > > discussing, and also why I am not a fan of Rap. 
> > Rhythm if fine, but not
> > > when a constant rhythm and minimum melody is all that
> > is offered.
> > > 
> > > Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com   
> > > 
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