[78-L] fwd: Marsalis makes the world safe for pure jazz^

[warren moorman]

Cary, you probably know their work already, but try the Pullen-Adams Quartet, who made outside jazz that kept the blues, and the groove. The swing of the blues groove is what I find missing in so many free players.
Warren 

--- On Tue, 12/22/09, Cary Ginell <soundthink at live.com> wrote:

> From: Cary Ginell <soundthink at live.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] fwd: Marsalis makes the world safe for pure jazz^
> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 5:27 PM
> 
> My main point in my unleashed diatribe is not in denying
> the Archie Shepps of the world to blast their atonal sounds
> to the heavens. Its their followers, with their snooty
> opinion that this is "advanced" jazz and that Dixieland is
> archaic and backwards that bothers me the most. Last year, I
> went to the annual Dixieland/New Orleans jazz festival in
> San Diego and heard the Natural Gas Jazz Band, a group that
> was inspired by Lu Watters' Yerba Buena Jazz Band. It was
> the most exciting, joyous concert I had heard in years. And
> not a pizza in sight. I'm not a moldy figge by any stretch
> of the imagination. The first jazz I ever loved was the
> soul-drenched hard bop of the 1960s: Jimmy Smith, Les
> McCann, Stanley Turrentine, Eddie Harris, etc. The problem I
> have with the so-called "free jazz" is that it doesn't have
> the element common to other forms of jazz: a groove. If a
> Cecil Taylor fan can find a groove in his music, more power
> to him, but I've sampled quite a bit of it and just do
>  n't care for it. Maybe I'm not "deep." Maybe I can't see
> the poetry in Coltrane's late-career squawks. But that's
> fine. I won't deny them their place in jazz. But I will deny
> them a place on my shelves. Even so, I won't condemn an
> entire period without cause. That's why I love Eric Dolphy
> and the work he did on Coltrane's "Africa Brass" sessions on
> Impulse. There is some of it that is accessible to someone
> like me. So I keep listening.
> 
> Cary Ginell
> 
> > From: mbiel at mbiel.com
> > To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
> > Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:53:25 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [78-L] fwd: Marsalis makes the world safe
> for pure jazz^
> > 
> > From: eugene hayhoe <jazzme48912 at yahoo.com>
> > > . . . 'repertory' music (that is 'recreative'
> music ) is to me generally
> > > kind of dull (like much of Marsalis' work), as
> often, I've already heard
> > > it before, even when the 'record' is new. 
> > 
> > Good point, but not everyone want to constantly hear
> new and different
> > and unfamiliar and strange.  Part of the
> attraction of records is the
> > ability to repeat the old and same and familiar and
> comfortable.  I tend
> > to go towards melodic, which is why I don't like the
> Coltrane we've been
> > discussing, and also why I am not a fan of Rap. 
> Rhythm if fine, but not
> > when a constant rhythm and minimum melody is all that
> is offered.
> > 
> > Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com   
> > 
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