[78-L] Happy Birthday to You

[David Lennick]

And then again, "There's No Depression in Love" by Vincent Rose (Perfect 15501) 
was issued on Melodee 306, a label specifically pressed for juke boxes, and the 
disc I borrowed from Brian Boyd was a great pressing. But this was 1931, before 
the ARC takeover.

dl

Taylor Bowie wrote:
> The most totally crappy,  Satanic,  nasty,  and CHEAP pressing I know of is 
> the ARC (only seen it on Melotone) of the Joe Haymes of  "Sittin' On the 
> Moon" which I also happen to like a lot...clearly it was pressed on old 
> ground-up chicken bones or something.
> 
> Some of these ARC sides can also be found on laminated pressings,  which 
> play very well.
> 
> Anyone ever seen that particular Haymes side on a laminated? Mostly the 
> laminated ones seem to be the slightly earlier green Melotones,  not the 
> late blue ones.
> 
> Taylor
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Lennick" <dlennick at sympatico.ca>
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 12:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Happy Birthday to You
> 
> 
>> Don't forget that the needle had to stay in the groove, against formidable
>> odds..mechanical problems, floor vibrations, jitterbugs, drunks falling 
>> against
>> the juke box. And I've posted a story previously that tells how ARC
>> deliberately pressed its budget label juke box discs on the worst crap
>> available so that the discs would wear out in just a few plays and have to 
>> be
>> reserviced just about every week.
>>
>> dl
>>
>> Sean Miller wrote:
>>> I've heard of it!  Those things had suggested tonearm pressure of 
>>> something
>>> like 12 OUNCES at the time (I'
>>> m going by fading memory here from my 1939 Wurlitzer manual).  I have two
>>> '39 Wurlitzers here, one full sized and one countertop model and I've
>>> modified the tonearms and cartridges in both to track at around 8-10 
>>> grams.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sean
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
>>> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of David Lennick
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 3:30 PM
>>> To: 78-L Mail List
>>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Happy Birthday to You
>>>
>>> Nobody here ever hear a record referred to as "juked"? Jeff Healey used 
>>> that
>>>
>>> expression all the time.
>>>
>>> dl
>>>
>>> Taylor Bowie wrote:
>>>> Years ago I read an article in Downbeat on junking for 78s.  The writer
>>>> recalled finding a copy of the Bob Crosby Decca of  It's Wonderful b/w
>>> Just
>>>> Strolling.   The first side ( a very nice but run-of-the mill pop side)
>>> was
>>>> worn flat,  but the flip,  a feature for Joe Sullivan,  was  "as new."
>>>>
>>>> Taylor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Sean Miller" <smille1 at nycap.rr.com>
>>>> To: "'78-L Mail List'" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 12:04 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Happy Birthday to You
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Yup.  AMI had the first selectable jukebox that could do both sides, 
>>>>> but
>>>>> not
>>>>> until 1945-ish (?).  I have all the 78s my Great Grandfather 
>>>>> confiscated
>>>>> from mob run juke operations in the 1930s and as you say, some sides 
>>>>> are
>>>>> worn white and the other side is E+.  What gets me even now is that
>>>>> sometimes the crappy side is the one they chose to program!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sean
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
>>>>> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Taylor Bowie
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 3:01 PM
>>>>> To: 78-L Mail List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Happy Birthday to You
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't know that...it explains why some old juke box records are grey
>>> to
>>>>> white on one side,  and clean on the other.
>>>>>
>>>>> Taylor
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Sean Miller" <smille1 at nycap.rr.com>
>>>>> To: "'78-L Mail List'" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 11:59 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Happy Birthday to You
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> It may have been intended for jukebox play.  Remember, then, no
>>> jukeboxes
>>>>>> could play both sides of a 78, it was one or the other....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sean
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com
>>>>>> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Taylor Bowie
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 2:54 PM
>>>>>> To: 78-L Mail List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Happy Birthday to You
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cary,  I've wondered if the thing was really intended for juke box 
>>>>>> play,
>>>>>> perhaps in more rural areas...so they backed it with a more pop-ish
>>>>>> Western
>>>>>> swing side.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I bought it BECAUSE of the Happy Birthday...and the other side was 
>>>>>> just
>>> a
>>>>>> nice bonus for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for sending your article as well... a strange story which still
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> no ending.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Taylor
>>>>>>
>> _____________________________