[78-L] 14 inch Victor Special DeLuxe

[neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com]

Just because it is easy to set the speed, doesn't mean he did it. Or 
that he has any perception of pitch or time. Just because he is a 
collector doesn't mean he has that good of musical perception.

"So easy a cave man can do it". Just like programming a VCR...

I believe that bands prefer keys with flats in them, perhaps because 
they have so many instruments written in B flat or E-flat. Or those keys 
just lie easy under the hand. so to speak.

So E-flat would be a good key, C not so much...

js

Michael Biel wrote:
> neechevoneeznayou at gmail.com wrote:
>> I do not believe it is playing at the correct speed. Or Von Karajan is 
>> conducting (joke). On the subject of key/speed, since this is a band 
>> transcription it may not be in the original key, or it may. If I had the 
>> time I would Xfer to a bigger box and shift the pitch up for comparison. 
>> I believe the side ends in E-flat. I believe it should be in C Major, a 
>> sixth higher.
>>   
> Now we're getting somewhere.  We do need a brass band expert to tell us 
> for sure what keys a band would most likely play in.  This was one of 
> Fred Williams' specialties, and he might even have this particular 
> record so he would have pitched it when I dubbed it 35 years ago.  I 
> don't have time to pull out the tape right now, and I could only play 
> this over the phone for him and I know that would not be good enough to 
> make out the pitch of the different instruments.  Maybe I might be able 
> to find our band director at the university tomorrow, but I do have a 
> cardiologist appointment in the afternoon. 
> 
>> So how does he know that he is playing it at 60? 
> 
> C'mon Joe.  As Royal Pemberton wrote:
>>>> You'd think 60 rpm would be easy to set, one revolution per second.
>>>>   
>>>>       
> All you need is a clock or watch with a second hand.  After all, that is 
> how Victor told you to set your speed at 78.  And Columbia told you to 
> count 20 revs in 15 seconds.  It's not rocket science.  It makes me 
> sorry I answered Royal:
> 
>>> Yes we realize that,
> 
>> Were there numbers on the speed control? His may be inaccurate
>> as well as needing a gear or two. 
> 
> 
> Later Victors had numbers on the control knob plate, and later they had 
> a pointer mechanism, but they all needed to be calibrated by the user.  
> And how would you calibrate it?  By counting revs, that's how!!
> 
>> He does not document his setting of the table speed, only what it 
>> says on the back of the record.
> 
> 
> After he got pissed off by people telling him the truth about his speed setting, he added a label to the video saying that he did set the turntable to 60. But as I said, he thought he ran it at 60 but then admitted he changed it so it sounded better.
> 
> 
>> It is likely that he is not a musician.  joe salerno
> 
> 
> I can almost GUARANTEE he isn't!!! 
> 
> So my quest continues -- what key would the band have played this in, 
> and is this an appropriate key?
> 
> Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com
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