[78-L] 14 inch Victor Special DeLuxe

[Michael Biel]

As ususal, most of the postings (except Martha's)  ignored the actual 
question of the posting: the speed of playback of the record and the key 
it is playing in. Her electronic speed correction sounds pretty good to 
me.  But can the MUSICIANS in this group check the keys that the 
recording on the video and in this correction are playing and see which 
is more correct.  What key was the original written in?  What key would 
a concert band play it in?  Are the brass band instruments being played 
in a key appropriate to the instruments?   We'll talk sound quality some 
other time.  I'm ONLY concerned with the speed and pitch of the 
playbacks now.  (By the way, in the machine forum, the disc owner is not 
Neophone, he just copied a posting.  The guy's name is Doug and he calls 
himself Fellow Collector.)

Mike Biel  mbiel at mbiel.com 

martha wrote:
>  An attempt at speed correction (audio only) : 
> http://www.box.net/shared/gp6sbrtm6z
>
>
>  Also discussed here 
> http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2357    and the guilty 
> party identifies himself & still thinks that 60rpm was too fast, along with 
> others who counted 45rpm in the video and some Einstein who insists you 
> cannot count rpms in a video, and others who think it's just fine. 
> Musically deaf people, collecting records - who woulda thunkit?
>
>
>  Calls himself "Neophone" on the above forum ..
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <bruce78rpm at comcast.net>
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> Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 2:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [78-L] 14 inch Victor Special DeLuxe
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>   
>> No idea who it is, but note that in the comments section, he is being 
>> asked to at least use fibre needle when playing that priceless Williams & 
>> Walker record from 1901, probably only one of a handful known to exist !!
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Michael Biel" <mbiel at mbiel.com>
>> To: 78-l at klickitat.78online.com
>> Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2009 2:29:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: [78-L] 14 inch Victor Special DeLuxe
>>
>> I stumbled across this on U Tube. He plays a 14 inch Special DeLuxe
>> 2030 The Flying Dutchman making great care supposedly to play it at the
>> appropriate 60 RPM but it IS actually being played at 45 and he is
>> getting all bent out of shape when people tell him that it is at 45. You
>> can count the speed yourself. Actually he says that he is playing it
>> at the speed where it sounds right to him. Aside from the fact that he
>> is playing the record on a VERY NOISY Victor D (which badly needs at
>> least one new gear) and the record sounds much worse than it should by
>> being played acoustically (I once dubbed off Fred Williams' collection
>> of about 14 of these huge babies and they sounded GREAT electrically)
>> does the key it is being played in at this speed sound right to the
>> musicians in this group??? I know the tempo is m-u-c-h t-o-o
>> s-l-o-w but how about the key??
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ILU5VTMLyM&feature=related
>>
>> By the way, it will also shock most of you to see him butcher a copy of
>> Williams and Walker "I Don't Like the Face You Wear" on Monarch 987 on
>> that same Model D with a needle that is LOOSE!! Look at the needle as
>> he puts the reproducer on the record.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFzJdjhWRE8&feature=related
>>
>> And does anybody know who this guy is??
>>
>> Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com
>>     
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