[78-L] Pressed in WHAT material...

[Martha]

But read the patent carefully  - the inventor mentions that vinyl compounds 
may be used along with the "vinsol", plus other materials.  So,  "Victrolac" 
may very well be vinsol + vinyl + gawdknowswhat.


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> Victrolac - apparently a compound of shellac, filler, and a plastic 
> material
> derived from shredded Longleaf Yellow Pine (Southern Pine)  stumps
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ybvqpdy
>
>
>
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> From: "Dan Van Landingham" <danvanlandingham at yahoo.com>
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:03 PM
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>
>
> On the subject of recording material:can anyone shed some light for me on 
> a
> substance
> called "Vitrolac".I have some circa 1933 long playing 10 inch 
> recordings.RCA
> called them
> Electrical Transcriptions.I once saw some ETs in an antique store in
> Winston,Oregon;what
> I saw was one that was a disc that was by a symphony orchestra recording
> under the aus-
> pices of either the Civilian Conservation Corps or the Works Progress
> Administration.Also,
> in a book I had read on the history of Atlantic Records,by Charles 
> Green,the
> Phillipsburg,
> New Jersey based National Records(owned by one Al Green)got into the 
> record
> business
> by furnishing discs that were made out of some conglomeration by a 
> National
> employee
> to other companies-until Green decided to cash in on the AFM recording ban
> by agreeing
> to the AFM's terms of recording royalties.He lasted until about 1951 but 
> had
> a rather imp-
> ressive roster which included Big Joe Turner,Pete Johnson,Billy Eckstine 
> and
> Eileen Bar-
> ton who had a hit recording of If I Knew You Were Coming(I'd Have Baked a
> Cake).Nation-
> al's first A&R man was Herb Abramson who helped Ahmet Ertugen start 
> Atlantic
> in 1947.
>
>
>
>
> From: Kristjan Saag <saag at telia.com>
> Subject: Re: [78-L] Pressed in WHAT material...
> To: "78-L Mail List" <78-l at klickitat.78online.com>
> Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 2:37 PM
>
>
> Michael Biel wrote:
>
>> I do want to add that Berliner used celluloid for his discs in the early
>> 1890s before shellac -- possibly by 1889 but definitely in 1892 thru 94.
>> There should be some additional research done on whether Berliner
>> really used hard rubber at all. I tend to think that some might have
>> mistaken the celluloid pressings for hard rubber because hard rubber is
>> mentioned in passing in a Berliner letter (I think). I seem to think
>> that he might have experimented in having pressings made but found them
>> lacking.
> ---
> The additional research has been done and it surprises me that Mike Biel
> doesn't know, or want to know about it. It was presented by Stephan Puille
> at the 2004 German IASA meeting and is based on FTIR (Fourier transform
> spectroscopy) analyses. It clearly shows that Berliner used celluloid for
> the first pressings at The Rheinische Gummi- und Celluloidfabrik
> Neckarau-Mannheim (no commercial pressings whatsoever before the end of
> 1890), but after a few month changed to hard rubber, which was used for 
> all
> succeeding German pressings.
> This has also been said a few times on this list, and I'm seriously
> beginning to doubt whether our collective efforts would do much better 
> than
> Wikipedia, whose contributors, at least, seem to read each other postings.
> See
> http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cache:GszaHTLD7j4J:www.iasa-online.de/files/2003_Berliner.pdf+%22puille%22+berliner+celluloid&hl=en&gl=se&sig=AFQjCNH-6_XvNXYDJlQBUQ9_As32O0Jqlw
> and
> http://www.iasa-online.de/bericht_2004.html
>
> Kristjan
>
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