[78-L] "New media" for Victrolas?...

[Michael Biel]

This Spring at the Mechanical Music show in Wayne one of the dealers
(Nipperhead?) showed an experimental Diamond Disc moulded reproduction
playing on a real Diamond Disc machine.  He does them one side at a time
and said the next step was to affix two sides together.  He is doing
things like Let Us Not Forget and Greetings From the Bunch At Orange. 
Maybe he will have some completed to sell at the show this coming
Sunday.

I DO like the idea of the chocolate records, although I am trying to
keep away from caffeine.   


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [78-L] "New media" for Victrolas?...
From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net
Date: Wed, October 07, 2009 10:20 am
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The best part of it, is when you get tired of the record, you can always
eat it !! That was almost as good hearing it, I can attest to that as I
have both played and eaten some of Ron's fabulous Chocolate Record
creations. It is good quality tasty Chocolate. I ate an Ada Jones record
once, and could only talk and sing in a soprano voice for 2 or three
days afterward !! 
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From: "Ron L'Herault" <lherault at bu.edu> 
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Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:05:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
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I used a 3.0 stylus on a Stanton 600 cartridge. A cool record works best

because the chocolate is a bit harder. It is not unlike playing an early

wax cylinder with a modern pick up. 

Ron L 

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[mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of David Lennick 
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:58 AM 
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What size stylus tip is best for playing chocolate records? 

dl 

Ron L'Herault wrote: 
> If you really have a special record that you like to play a lot, there is 
a 
> way to create new ones. Start with a good copy of the disk, the best you 
> can find. You then purchase flexible (usually two-part liquid) 
impression 
> material and make a mold of the record. You've created a kind of 
"stamper". 
> You then use a hard epoxy (usually two-part liquid) which you pour into 
the 
> mold and let cure. Carefully peel off the mold and you will have a 
playable 
> copy along with a mold to make more. All it takes is time and money, the 
> two ingredients necessary to solve almost all problems. Smooth-on is one 
> company that makes such products. www.smooth-on.com I have not used 
their 
> products but have seen them used for antique furniture repair (recreating 
> moldings for example). They have a wide range of materials. 
> 
> I know the technique works because I have used dental impression material 
to 
> create chocolate Little Wonder records that play on modern equipment and 
> sound just as good as the original. They taste a lot better. 
> 
> Ron L 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: 78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com 
> [mailto:78-l-bounces at klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Michael Biel 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:12 AM 
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> Subject: Re: [78-L] "New media" for Victrolas?... 
> 
> 
> You don't need a newly manufactured record, but records in very good 
> condition. As David Lennick indicated, they would probably be be 
> pressed in vinyl which would be utterly destroyed with the first 
> playing. If you just want some old records to play on the machine, they 
> shouldn't be really hard to find. I'm going to the Mechanical Music 
> show in Wayne NJ this Sunday and there will be plenty of them there, and 
> certainly some of the West Coasters here could guide you to places you 
> might find some. But remember, you MUST use a new needle EVERY TIME, or 
> else your records will wear out very fast. Most of us do not play our 
> records on old players unless the records are common, duplicates, or 
> otherwise relatively disposable. Playing records on old players is 
> playing the machine, not playing the record. You do it to hear the 
> machine. If you want to hear the recording, you play it on modern 
> equipment. 
> 
> NEVER use old needles you found in the machine because they were all 
> probably used -- unless they came in a needle tin that seems to have all 
> unused needles. There are dealers who sell new needles. If you slowly 
> twirl the needle in your fingers and see light glinting off the point as 
> you turn it, that is light reflecting off of the flattened edges of the 
> worn needle, and these flat edges will tear the records up. Also, 
> unless you are using a late-20s Orthophonic or some other machine 
> designed for playing electrical records, you should only play acoustical 
> records on an acoustical machine. Electrical records will usually be 
> too loud, too bassy, and too shrill, and will wear out faster and 
> sometimes start your reproducer buzzing. You certainly don't want to 
> play anything from the 40s or 50s. 
> 
> Mike Biel mbiel at mbiel.com 
> 
> 
> 
> David Lennick <dlennick at sympatico.ca>wrote: 
>> They'd have to be pressed on shellac or something equally 
>> hard ..ever see what happens to a vinyl disc when you lower 
>> a soundbox with a steel needle into it? dl 
> 
>> Bruce England wrote: 
>>> Hello: 
>>> I just checked out your 78rpmrecord.com web site, and it's 
>>> very good; interesting and useful! 
>>> What I'm trying to figure out at the moment is if *anybody* 
>>> is pressing new 78's playable on acoustic Victrolas. All of 
>>> the records I have at this point are pretty well worn, and 
>>> it would be way cool to be able to hear fresh grooves for 
>>> a change. Do you have any idea(s)? Thanks and bye for now! 
>>> Bruce England Mountain View, CA 
> 
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