[78-L] Who is the artist on these early Columbia's

[David Lennick]

Since nobody's cited the take numbers yet, I'll provide what info is in the 
Columbia Books.

378: All takes are by Arthur Collins. If it's a ten-inch Columbia, it should be 
take 2 and announced by Collins. If it's a ten-inch Climax, the take number 
isn't listed and it doesn't say if there's an announcement.

1448: Both takes are Arthur Collins. No take # shown for the ten-incher, and 
the song is a parody of the 1900 art song "Violets" (Ev'ry Morning I Bring Thee 
Violets). Shades of Bob Rivers "When a Man Loves a Chicken", almost a century 
earlier!

dl

bruce78rpm at comcast.net wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd-0f94xcPE 
> 
> Ok, here it is up on You Tube "Ain't dat a shame", A Coon song Ragtime Classic, who is the artist, Collins, Denny, Roberts, Quinn?? Maybe even a very very early Eddie Morton (a bit too early for him I suspect). 
> 
> Bruce 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Craig Ventresco" <craigventresco at gmail.com> 
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> Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 2:39:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
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> 
> Hi, 
> Early Columbia records like these can have the same serial numbers and 
> different artists, depending on which take you get. For example, in my 
> collection I have three versions of Columbia 876 "Mr. Dooley". One is by 
> Edward M. Favor, one by Joe Natus and one by Will F. Denny. Some of these 
> were originally Climax records (and some of those first were issued on 
> Globe). In other words, you need check the take numbers, and then refer to 
> Tim Brooks' Columbia discography. OR--play them because they might be 
> announced. My 7" Columba of Bill Bailey is by Roberts, but I also have a ten 
> inch by Collins (same serial number, of course). I have Ain't Dat a Shame by 
> Denny, but have heard other takes by other artists. These are both from 
> 1902. I guess back then Columbia and other companies considered the artists 
> interchangable, and the songs themselves to sell the records. I am no expert 
> on this stuff, but I am really into early discs like these, and probably 
> could tell you who is singing on yours if you want to put them on here. 
> I knew one collector who was really into Edward M. Favor and searched for 
> years for a copy of Columbia 111 ("Who threw the Overhaulls in Mistress 
> Murphy's Chowder?" ) as sung by him. and kept turning them up by Denny, 
> Quinn...but no Favor. Finally he found one. 
> Columbia issued so many takes of some titles in these early days that the 
> collector of this kind of stuff will never get bored. Billy Golden recorded 
> "Turkey in the Straw" over and over and over, and they're all good. Recently 
> I found take 6, which has the most intense ragtime piano accompaniment. The 
> others have piano acc also, but none compare with this take--of those I have 
> heard... 
> Hope thi helps a little... 
> On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 11:05 AM, <bruce78rpm at comcast.net> wrote: 
> 
>> yes, interesting "Ain't dat a shame" 1901, and Bill Bailey, I believe was 
>> 1901. So I am still looking for confirmation as to who did this 1901 version 
>> on Columbia, and I suspect it is Bob Roberts, but I am not positive. 
>> Wonderful turn of the Century ragtime classic with sort of an early blues 
>> quality to it. 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Bud Black" <banjobud at cfl.rr.com> 
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>> Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 1:58:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
>> Subject: Re: [78-L] Who is the artist on these early Columbia's 
>>
>> Silas Leachman recorded "Ain't Dat A Shame" in 1901, but (IIRC)it was on 
>> the 
>> Monarch label. Incidentally, this song was a precursor to "Bill Bailey." 
>> This is one of those rare cases where the "answer" song became more famous 
>> than the original. 
>>
>> Bud 
>>
>> -------Original Message------- 
>>
>> From: bruce78rpm at comcast.net 
>> Date: 8/8/2009 1:39:32 PM 
>> To: 78-L 
>> Cc: Phonolist; Phono-L 
>> Subject: [78-L] Who is the artist on these early Columbia's 
>>
>> I just picked up a couple of really nice early silver & black 10" Columbia 
>> Ragtime Comedy songs with piano and vocal. Here are the numbers and titles: 
>> Ain't Dat a Shame" Baritone Solo No. 378 and "Every Morn I bring her 
>> Chicken 
>> " Baritone Solo No. 1448. "Ain't Dat a Shame" (a ragtime number sounding 
>> alot like a take off on "Won't you come home Bill Bailey) could be Bob 
>> Roberts, but I am not totally certain, while the "Chicken" song sounds a 
>> good deal like Dan W. Quinn, but again I would like to be sure as to who 
>> the 
>> artist is. Thanks in advance for your help. According to Steve's dating 
>> book 
>> 378 would be 1901 and 1448 would be 1903. 
>>
>> Bruce 
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